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Discussion: Transwomen are not women (Part 7)

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angrysoba said:
Yes, and I will maintain it is not transphobic to question or even deny that transgender athletes should be able to compete in sports they have transitioned to, but that it is transphobic to insult a person on the basis that they are transgender. How could it be any other way?
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Exactly.

Funny (in the "peculiar" or "interesting" sense), isn't it, how every so often the curtain drops a little to reveal dirty little truths......
 
angrysoba said:
You mean, like in this clip?



I allow it. Do you allow it?
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No, I would not allow white people to self-id themselves an n-word pass for the reason that black people, much like females have been historically **** allover by white people and males respectively.
 
Manger Douse said:
No, I would not allow white people to self-id themselves an n-word pass for the reason that black people, much like females have been historically **** allover by white people and males respectively.
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Yes, they have. Now, would you say that transgender people have NOT been? Or that you just don't particularly care if they are?
 
Manger Douse said:
So why are you in favour of self-id then?
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You're doing a lot of JAQing off instead of stating your points.

My position is this:

For whatever reason, and I may not know why it is, some people sincerely identify as a gender they were not born.
I don't necessarily understand why that is, but I do not feel that this lack of understanding on my part entitles me to bully, belittle or insult them.

When someone starts referring to a transgendered person as "it", it seems pretty clear to me that they are doing some form of bullying, belittling or insulting. If that is not transphobia, then nothing is. [Indeed, some people will say "nothing is transphobic" but then those people shouldn't be regaling others with their stories of transgender friends and relationships.]
 
None of that answers my question of why you are in favour of self-id and I've told you several times my question had nothing to do with the Atheists posts.

Why are you in favour of self-id?
 
Manger Douse said:
None of that answers my question of why you are in favour of self-id and I've told you several times my question had nothing to do with the Atheists posts.

Why are you in favour of self-id?
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Everyone is in favour of self-ID, Manger Douse (if that is your real name).
 
You'll have to explain how me choosing a username on this forum will lead to greater sexual violence against women. I'll get the kettle on
 
Manger Douse said:
You'll have to explain how me choosing a username on this forum will lead to greater sexual violence against women. I'll get the kettle on
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It doesn't. Why do you assume that? For example, apparently Eddie Izzard now goes by the pronouns she and her and says she is a woman. I'd like you to tell me exactly how Eddie Izzard's choice leads to greater sexual violence against women.
 
angrysoba said:
Black people?! Me prejudiced against black people?!?!? Absolutely not.

Some of my best friends...

Hell, I dated one of them...

I call one black person the n-word and everyone freaks out!
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No, I'm afraid not.


What has happened here is just a case of a very common fallacy.

The Atheist has animus toward Laurel Hubbard.

Laurel Hubbard is a transperson.

Therefore The Atheist has animus toward transpeople.
 
Meadmaker said:
No, I'm afraid not.


What has happened here is just a case of a very common fallacy.

The Atheist has animus toward Laurel Hubbard.

Laurel Hubbard is a transperson.

Therefore The Atheist has animus toward transpeople.
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"I don't like Laurel Hubbard" = The Atheist has animus toward Laurel Hubbard.

Referring to Laurel Hubbard as a "freak" and "it" is pretty obviously transphobic if the only reason for disliking Hubbard is for competing as a woman.
 
angrysoba said:
Everyone is in favour of self-ID, Manger Douse (if that is your real name).
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angrysoba said:
It doesn't. Why do you assume that? For example, apparently Eddie Izzard now goes by the pronouns she and her and says she is a woman. I'd like you to tell me exactly how Eddie Izzard's choice leads to greater sexual violence against women.
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You understand that everyone can self-id correct? Not just a couple of cherries you can pick out
 
LondonJohn said:
Ah, so am I "confused" in thinking that because this particular transwoman has apparently upset or angered The Atheist (by competing as a woman), this therefore gives The Atheist some sort of permission to address her as "it"?

Am I somewhere close? Please put me out of my confusion, if I'm inferring incorrectly. :rolleyes:
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What gives The Atheist permission to call Laurel Hubbard "it", is the membership agreement.

You have the right to express contempt toward him for doing so.

So, now that we have the permission thing disposed of, let's go back to the actual content of the post. You asserted that The Atheist calling Laurel Hubbard "it" was motivated by anti-trans animus. I do not believe that is true and I think there is strong evidence that it is not true. I believe your assertion is false and, as noted in my response to AngrySoba, I believe it follows a common pattern of fallacious reasoning.

(And your role here as an apologist for The Atheist's post is duly noted.)
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Okay.

I'm not sure why you think it's necessary to duly note it, but that's cool.
 
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angrysoba said:
Yes, I do. Your argument sounds suspiciously like one of those reactionary arguments about how "If we let the gays be gay, think of the children!!!1!"
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If you understand everyone can self-id why did you cherry pick Eddie Izzard?

Your second line seems to imply you think there won't be an increase in sexual violence against females if males are allowed into female changing spaces - is this the case?
 
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