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Warbler said:
I was talking about a situation where the sole concern was that the mother lacked finances, a good home, ability to raise a child and a stable environment.

It was when those were the sole reason for getting an abortion, that I said adoption would be a solution.

But, I do think I need a better understanding trauma such a woman would go through should she give the child up for adoption rather than aborting it months earlier.
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You do need to do some research. It is rare that there is a “sole concern” when it comes to an unwanted pregnancy. There are thousands of concerns and damn few solutions.

Which is why prevention is so important. Which, tip of the hat that you are doing your part in that fight, with you life how it is and all.
 
Warbler said:
I agree they were not perfect, nor are they demigods. But I will stand on idea that

""We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.—That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed" until the day I die.
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It's pretty language certainly. But there is no evidence of a creator.

The important line is the highlighted line. It is necessary that governments and men secure those rights. It's quite interesting that the founders didn't mean people of color or women.
Black men and women have been and continue to have these rights denied to them this very day by the men of our government.
 
Main Reason why I favor legal abortion is simple:
The whole idea of a fetus having a soul is a theological concept, and I violently oppose the Government enforcing purely theological concepts. That way lies the Republic of Gilead.
The women's rights issue is also very important and valid, but the above is my main reason for wanting legal abortion.
 
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Warbler said:
really? saying new life begins at conception(note I didn't say was human yet or had rights yet) is arbitrary? Okay.
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Are you saying sperm are not life?

Each as new as the day they are let free, unlike eggs that are formed a generation ahead, iirc.
 
JoeMorgue said:
"I'm just looking for someone non-biased" sounds a lot like "Someone who doesn't think I'm wrong."
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not true at all. not sure how you could derive "Someone who doesn't think I'm wrong" from what I said. Don't put words in my mouth.

When I said non-biased, I meant it.
 
Warp12 said:
Huh? I never said anything about "ignore". I think that was Warbler?? Not sure.

Also, I don't believe in any "God", Christian or otherwise. I think you have the wrong poster, on those points.

And yes, obviously "morality" is subject to change.
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Yay. Thanks for quoting me. Since Warbler publicly announced that he has me on ignore, I am constrained to post my replies to others. Otherwise he can pretend they never happened. And I am not keen on dishonest folks.
 
Dr. Keith said:
You do need to do some research. It is rare that there is a “sole concern” when it comes to an unwanted pregnancy. There are thousands of concerns and damn few solutions.
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For all I know, it indeed might be rare. I realize often that the reasons for seeking an abortion are varied and complicated.

Dr. Keith said:
Which is why prevention is so important. Which, tip of the hat that you are doing your part in that fight, with you life how it is and all.
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Not sure what you mean here.
 
Warbler said:
yes, that was Warbler. He made several false assumptions and accusations (including that I supported stealing babies and selling them on some sort of black market) about me, solely because I was religious. It also seemed to me that he was talking rather irrationally at times. I decided conversing with him wasn't worth it and put him on ignore.
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Nope. You could not even try to answer the difficult questions, so you turned tail.
 
Dr. Keith said:
Are you saying sperm are not life?

Each as new as the day they are let free, unlike eggs that are formed a generation ahead, iirc.
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technically any cell has life. If you can't see the different between a sperm cell and a fertilized egg that is developing into a human being, I don't know.
 
abaddon said:
Is there any circumstance under which slavery was ever moral? Today? 1,000 years ago? 2,000 years ago? 4,000 years ago? You believe in absolute morality as crapped out by some deity. Now you are saying that morality is subject to change. Just how powerless of a god is it that you believe in? What prevented him/her/it/houscat from stating front and center that owning another person as property was morally wrong? Surely jebus would have said so in the NT? Nope. Not a damn word. Didn't care.

Course now that you announced that you have me on ignore, you will not see such pointy questions. You cannot answer them. You are afraid of them.
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abaddon said:
Yay. Thanks for quoting me. Since Warbler publicly announced that he has me on ignore, I am constrained to post my replies to others. Otherwise he can pretend they never happened. And I am not keen on dishonest folks.
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But yet most of your post was directed at my comment regarding looking at history through a modern lens. Odd.
 
Warp12 said:
Incorrect. There is a very obvious difference between being "held accountable" (such as in a court of law), vs. someone engaging in the practice of "personal accountability".

I've answered your questions, I'm moving on.
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What ABSOLUTE GARBAGE. You NEVER ANSWER the questions.

You have failed over and over again to say EXACTLY what it means for the man whose semen inseminated the ovum and the woman carrying the fetus have to do to be personally accountable.
 
acbytesla said:
What ABSOLUTE GARBAGE. You NEVER ANSWER the questions.

You have failed over and over again to say EXACTLY what it means for the man whose semen inseminated the ovum and the woman carrying the fetus have to do to be personally accountable.
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Wrong. Paul2 presented a very specific scenario and asked me how "personal accountability" would look in that case. I gave a very clear answer. I also answered another one of his questions (which he had subsequently deleted).

You can go back and read those responses, if you wish. I am moving on.
 
Warp12 said:
Wrong. Paul2 presented a very specific scenario and asked me how "personal accountability" would look in that case. I gave a very clear answer. I also answered another one of his questions (which he had subsequently deleted).

You can go back and read those responses, if you wish. I am moving on.
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BOLLOCKS AGAIN.

This is a simple question and you're still using the term "personal accountability" as a cudgel without saying what that means. Having an honest discussion with you is impossible because you refuse to say in definitive words what you mean.
 
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