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Texas bans abortion.

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Warp12 said:
Perfectly acceptable for the day, I believe. Viewing history through a modern lens distorts everything.
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Is there any circumstance under which slavery was ever moral? Today? 1,000 years ago? 2,000 years ago? 4,000 years ago? You believe in absolute morality as crapped out by some deity. Now you are saying that morality is subject to change. Just how powerless of a god is it that you believe in? What prevented him/her/it/houscat from stating front and center that owning another person as property was morally wrong? Surely jebus would have said so in the NT? Nope. Not a damn word. Didn't care.

Course now that you announced that you have me on ignore, you will not see such pointy questions. You cannot answer them. You are afraid of them.
 
JoeMorgue said:
The board doesn't give out a fruitbasket for getting as close to the point as possible without getting it.
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huh? you accused me of "all talk and no action." in terms of adopting a baby. I told you why I couldn't. What I said was true. I think any reasonable person reading my list would agree that I should not, at this time, adopt a child.
 
Warbler said:
If it were just her medical choices, I would agree, she would also be making medical choices for the fetus.
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Okay let's try another way.

Do we as a society have a "say" in people's sperm and unfertalized eggs? Of course not, that's absurd.

Those are "potential humans"
 
Dr. Keith said:
That would be a good exercise. I think we can all wait patiently if you’d like to take a break until you have done so. No shame in doing a bit of homework between posts.
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at this point, I am not sure where to start. I know would like to consult non-biased experts, not just advocated for one side of the other.
 
Warbler said:
huh? you accused me of "all talk and no action." in terms of adopting a baby. I told you why I couldn't. What I said was true. I think any reasonable person reading my list would agree that I should not, at this time, adopt a child.
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Yet you are fine telling a woman to have a child even if she meets the same criteria.

Where's the baby supposed to go? Your answer to everything is "LOL just adopt it out."
 
Warbler said:
If it were just her medical choices, I would agree, she would also be making medical choices for the fetus.
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Yes, much like I made a medical choice for my sperm when I got a vasectomy. Nobody involved but me and my doctor. Pretty simple, really.
 
ahhell said:
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Worth noting that this was taken of context. As I was using the phrase to reference folks who don't support unlimited abortion rights but rather more modest changes to the law.
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I assume you mean "out of context". But it is still a misrepresentation of what was said and you can see the immediate result of what happened when you brought it up.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Okay let's try another way.

Do we as a society have a "say" in people's sperm and unfertalized eggs? Of course not, that's absurd.

Those are "potential humans"
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a sperm isn't developing into a human, nor is an unfertilized egg. It when the sperm and egg combine that a new and separate life begins.
 
abaddon said:
Is there any circumstance under which slavery was ever moral? Today? 1,000 years ago? 2,000 years ago? 4,000 years ago? You believe in absolute morality as crapped out by some deity. Now you are saying that morality is subject to change. Just how powerless of a god is it that you believe in? What prevented him/her/it/houscat from stating front and center that owning another person as property was morally wrong? Surely jebus would have said so in the NT? Nope. Not a damn word. Didn't care.

Course now that you announced that you have me on ignore, you will not see such pointy questions. You cannot answer them. You are afraid of them.
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Huh? I never said anything about "ignore". I think that was Warbler?? Not sure.

Also, I don't believe in any "God", Christian or otherwise. I think you have the wrong poster, on those points.

And yes, obviously "morality" is subject to change.
 
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Warbler said:
at this point, I am not sure where to start. I know would like to consult non-biased experts, not just advocated for one side of the other.
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It sounds like you do know where to start: Search for non-biased experts.

Hint: you won’t find them here.
 
Warbler said:
a sperm isn't developing into a human, nor is an unfertilized egg. It when the sperm and egg combine that a new and separate life begins.
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That's massively arbitrary.

I also notice it's functionally identical to "We don't get a say until it's in a woman's body."

Again if you're argument isn't that you just want to control women's body, explain to me what would be different if you were.

Because by some magical cosmic coincidence the entire period in which you just have to be the Lorax for the Zygotes is when they are in women's bodies.
 
"I'm just looking for someone non-biased" sounds a lot like "Someone who doesn't think I'm wrong."
 
JoeMorgue said:
Yet you are fine telling a woman to have a child even if she meets the same criteria.

Where's the baby supposed to go? Your answer to everything is "LOL just adopt it out."
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I was talking about a situation where the sole concern was that the mother lacked finances, a good home, ability to raise a child and a stable environment.

It was when those were the sole reason for getting an abortion, that I said adoption would be a solution.

But, I do think I need a better understanding trauma such a woman would go through should she give the child up for adoption rather than aborting it months earlier.
 
Warbler said:
a sperm isn't developing into a human, nor is an unfertilized egg. It when the sperm and egg combine that a new and separate life begins.
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Then you will be outlawing the destruction of fertilized eggs from fertility clinics, but not Vaseline or Kleenex. Good to know how things will go under your regime.
 
Warp12 said:
Huh? I never said anything about "ignore". I think that was Warbler?? Not sure.
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yes, that was Warbler. He made several false assumptions and accusations (including that I supported stealing babies and selling them on some sort of black market) about me, solely because I was religious. It also seemed to me that he was talking rather irrationally at times. I decided conversing with him wasn't worth it and put him on ignore.
 
JoeMorgue said:
That's massively arbitrary.

I also notice it's functionally identical to "We don't get a say until it's in a woman's body."

Again if you're argument isn't that you just want to control women's body, explain to me what would be different if you were.

Because by some magical cosmic coincidence the entire period in which you just have to be the Lorax for the Zygotes is when they are in women's bodies.
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My next sock “Lorax for the Zygotes”, don’t tell anyone.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Keep pretending like "modest changes in the law" is the Republican goal.

You can live in the consequence free, Polysci 101 thought experiment "Both sides are wrong LOL" fantasy world where if we give them an inch they won't take a mile if you want. The women this effects in the real world don't have that luxury.
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Keep acting like anyone that disagrees with you wants to live in the handmaids tail.

Both sides have folks that are wrong about this issue, you are wrong about this issue. Its only about 9% of the US that thinks abortion should be illegal under any circumstance and a bout 20% that think it should always be legal. The rest of the US is quite reasonable.
 
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