Cont: Scorpion's Spiritualism, Part Deux

Scorpion said:
My etheric body was loose,
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No such thing as an "etheric body" either.

Scorpion said:
and the chakras were miss aligned, not in their correct location. That is the reason I could feel them.
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Sure. They were "whizzing in and out of your head", right? Did they form an orderly queue,or what? When they left your body, where did they go and what did they do?

Scorpion said:
The feelings of fire I felt was because there was a gap between the chakras and their correct locations.
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You already claimed they don't have locations at all, so no.

Maybe you just had wind.
 
Scorpion said:
Because I could feel them, and that was before I saw a diagram of them.

A psychiatrists once asked me, what first made you believe in the chakras.
I said " I could feel them whizzing in and out of my head." He smiled indulgently, and I knew he did not believe a word I had said. I dispensed with his services because we live in two different worlds. I got no help from psychiatrists, but in the same town a few streets away I went to a spiritualist church where I got real help.
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Then why, if they are real, is there absolutely no evidence for them anywhere? Why do they contradict physiology?
 
Lothian said:
Is it your view that Chakras can be seen, felt or measured by a third party or can the effects only be felt by an individual?
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Clairvoyants may be able to see them in the same way they can see auras.

I don't think people can normally feel them. In my case it was because they were out of alignment with the locations of the body they were supposed to be connected to. This was caused by the fact I was acutely depressed when I was young ,and this had a bad effect on my etheric body, causing it to come loose.
 
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Scorpion said:
Clairvoyants may be able to see them in the same way they can see auras.
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That (comparison to auras) perfectly matches my view.

Clairvoyants can very clearly see auras radiating out from people sat in front of them.
Place a person (or not) behind a human shaped screen and you find that the same clairvoyants will start to see Auras when no one is behind the screen and nothing when people are behind it.
The addition of a simple control shows the clairvoyants are making it all up. The same will be true for Chakras.
Someone who can feel a chakra is misaligned and can adjust it, if screened, will not be able to tell any better than 50% reliability if someone is actually there or not
 
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Scorpion said:
In what way do they contradict physiology?
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Let me be more specific. The Chakra as it was originally intended (as a focus point for yoga to avoid injury) is...fine. Pointless but fine. Avoiding injury during yoga is good, and yoga can be beneficial for both physical and psychological wellbeing.

Chakras as explained by people who want to bilk gullible westerners out of their money by inventing "energy" contradict physiology. The "energy" that supposedly flows through the Chakras doesn't exist. It isn't possible to measure it, to the point where if you have a "blocked" chakra no test on earth can detect it.
The body doesn't work the way that these people say it does. There are specific physiological reasons for illness and injury. We know what they are and can detect them. Inventing some mystical energy adds nothing and can cause people to go to these charlatans instead of a real doctor.

Energy does not flow through the body in the way that the Chakra people claim it does. Energy is a specific thing that does not work that way. These people are not plying a skill, nor are they aware of things others are not. They do nothing. There is no evidence AT ALL that these people can actually heal people. If Chakras were a thing, and people cleansing chakras or unblocking them or whatever other gobbledegook word you want to use was a thing there would be research showing that it worked, but just like with prayer, the research shows that nope, doesn't work.
 
A new years message from me by Steven Hawking

The laws of nature form a system which is extremely fine-tuned, and very little can be altered without destroying the possibility of the development of life as we know it. Were it not for a series of startling coincidences in the precise details of physical law, it seems, humans and similar life forms would never have come into being. .. our Universe and its laws appear to have a design that is both tailor- made to support us and, if we are to exist, leaves little room for alteration. That is not easy to explain, and raises the natural question of why it is that way.
Steven Hawking and Mlodinow 2012
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grand_Design_(book)

Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist. It is not necessary to invoke God to light the blue touch paper and set the universe going.

— Stephen Hawking and Leonard Mlodinow, The Grand Design, 2010[10]
 
Why are you quote mining Hawking again Scorpion? He didn't believe the universe was designed and he was an atheist.
 
It's a quote mine, you are using the words of Stephen Hawking to imply that he believed something that he manifestly did not. It would be like me taking a quote of yours where you postulate an atheistic universe and presenting it as if it was your view.
 
MarkCorrigan said:
It's a quote mine, you are using the words of Stephen Hawking to imply that he believed something that he manifestly did not. It would be like me taking a quote of yours where you postulate an atheistic universe and presenting it as if it was your view.
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Are you trying to tell me Hawking did not believe what he said in the quote?

He said the fine tuning of the universe was not easy to explain. I did not say he believed in God.
 
Scorpion said:
Are you trying to tell me Hawking did not believe what he said in the quote?

He said the fine tuning of the universe was not easy to explain. I did not say he believed in God.
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There is no fine tuning of the universe.

Hans
 
Scorpion said:
Are you trying to tell me Hawking did not believe what he said in the quote?

He said the fine tuning of the universe was not easy to explain. I did not say he believed in God.
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I'm trying to tell you that you are reading into his words things that are not there.

He did not believe the universe was fine tuned deliberately or by anything, he just said that there was a lot of specificity that was difficult to explain.
 
Scorpion said:
Are you trying to tell me Hawking did not believe what he said in the quote?

He said the fine tuning of the universe was not easy to explain. I did not say he believed in God.
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Just as well.
Here's the follow-up to that quote, from a few pages later in the same book:
Stephen Hawking said:
But just as Darwin and Wallace explained how the apparently miraculous design of living forms could appear without intervention by a supreme being, the multiverse concept can explain the fine-tuning of physical law without the need for a benevolent creator who made the universe for our benefit.
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http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/Nave-html/Faithpathh/GrandDesign.html

Now, do please tell us why you posted that first quote.
 
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