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EU warns Putin about German Elections....

dudalb

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APparently they got wind Putin is up to his old tricks in the German electionand the EU just warned him not to do it. No promises of consquences if he does interfere, just waving their finger at him.
Boy, that is effective. That will sure scare Vlad.
 
I've checked the usual propaganda outlets. Nothing. Who is "the EU"? Uschi von der Leyen (who belongs in a hard labour camp)? Sources, or better mind your own business. Blaming Putin is so 2016.
 
I think my first vote will go to the CDU candidate because I actively despise the current holder of the direct mandate and she is the only one who can beat him. The second vote will go to the new party dieBasis which has the man in my signature as candidate one. Unlikely that they will make it over 5%, but I have to join the effort. And Putin has no say in that.

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I've checked the usual propaganda outlets. Nothing. Who is "the EU"? Uschi von der Leyen (who belongs in a hard labour camp)? Sources, or better mind your own business. Blaming Putin is so 2016.
The European Union on Friday warned Russia against allowing hackers to attack data bases or spread disinformation in some of the 27 member countries just as Germans were preparing to go the polls for weekend parliamentary elections.
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German security officials said Friday that there had been a cyberattack on the Federal Statistical Office, which also oversees Sunday’s election.

Marek Wede, a spokesman for the Interior Ministry, said the attack appeared to have affected a development server used for the national census, rather than election infrastructure.
(https://apnews.com/article/technolo...reign-policy-a9abb7e00e4430c402b07ae14cdd9c8c).

Perhaps it is time to lift European sanctions directed against Russia. It is possible they make the Russians angry, and constantly aggressive.
 
I think my first vote will go to the CDU candidate because I actively despise the current holder of the direct mandate and she is the only one who can beat him. The second vote will go to the new party dieBasis which has the man in my signature as candidate one. Unlikely that they will make it over 5%, but I have to join the effort. And Putin has no say in that.

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I see you are fighting FOR COVID and against your own country. Gluck auf das.
 
Invite Pootie to find incriminating emails about your opposition??

And then have a large meeting of all heads of state but deny any evidence from being presented and say nothing. Because that really told Vlad.

So I ask again for those that criticize the move, what *would* work?
Sanctions have been in place since Crimea and MH17 and that doesn't seem to do much.

It's hard to interfere in Russian elections, since Putin does that himself already and Russia is working hard in denying it's citizens outside internet anyway.
 
Sounds like "Die Basis" is exactly like the AfD in that it starts out as a pretty much Single-Issue party that will soon get subverted by Russian money and right-wing ideology.
 

"On the eve of the election, they published a list of candidates from establishment parties, other than United Russia, who had the best chance of defeating United Russia members. The Kremlin responded by attempting to suppress the circulation of the list using every possible means. That included pressuring global digital giants like Apple, Google and Telegram, which shamefully caved in and removed Navalny’s apps, videos and online documents containing Smart Voting information.

Political preferences of virtual voters in the capital turned out to be directly opposite to those of people who preferred to vote in the old-fashioned way. They managed to swing the election in every single district, where Kremlin candidates would have lost it otherwise.

Most scandalously, the online voting envisaged a re-vote feature, which a whopping 300,000 chose to use in this election in order to edit their votes. That feature was blamed for an hours-long delay in the release of e-voting results for Moscow. They only started trickling in after nearly all of the paper ballots had already been counted"

Free, fair and legitimate.
 
And then have a large meeting of all heads of state but deny any evidence from being presented and say nothing. Because that really told Vlad.

So I ask again for those that criticize the move, what *would* work?
Sanctions have been in place since Crimea and MH17 and that doesn't seem to do much.

It's hard to interfere in Russian elections, since Putin does that himself already and Russia is working hard in denying it's citizens outside internet anyway.

Novichoking the door handles of a few close associates. Sending some representatives to admire the 156ft spire of St Basil's Cathedral.
 
I think my first vote will go to the CDU candidate because I actively despise the current holder of the direct mandate and she is the only one who can beat him. The second vote will go to the new party dieBasis which has the man in my signature as candidate one. Unlikely that they will make it over 5%, but I have to join the effort. And Putin has no say in that.

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Huh! And I thought you meant, by your signature, to mock the abject stupidity of this Covidiot!
But then I remembered that you, despite being informed and intelligent, exculpate al Qaida of the 9/11 attacks by pretending to subscribe to the most idiotic theory ("NoC", "Flyover") in the history of CTs.

How ironic then, that the name of the covidiotic splinter party that you wasted your vote on, "die Basis", when translated to Arabic, is "al-Qaida".



As for the thread topic: I am not aware that anyone here in Germany figures that Putin is going to skew any results in a significant way. Early results and exit polls tonight are surprisingly close to latest predictions.

For those tangentally interested: Angela Merkel's party, the mildly conservative (or, in US coordinates, radically Marxist) CDU, along with Bavarian sister party CSU (the "C" stands for "Christian" - what an anachronism!) lost first place, the social-democratic (or, for US readers: Destroyers of All Economy; Those Who Make Lenin Look Like A Capitalist Pig) comes in first. The Greens improve their results and are #3, but a bit disappointed given polling hopes only a few weeks ago. Losers are the radical right (AfD - ******** ******* Democracy) and the socialist Left - the latter is not yet sure to make the 5% threshold needed to field any members of parliament at all.
No two-party coalition will have more than 50% of seats in parliament, so a three-party coalition will be needed, and it's far from clear who that will be.
 
For those who would like some numbers to go with that, the prognosis on ARD (German public broadcaster) has CDU/CSU on 24,7% (their worst performance since the war), SPD on 24,9%, AfD on 11,3%, FDP on 11,2%, Linke (Left) on 5%, the Greens on 14,8% and others on 8,1%.

The Danish coverage had a reporter suggest that both CDU/CSU and SPD will attempt to form a government, though who ends up governing remains up in the air. I can't imagine AfD will be invited to any talks, and there seems to be little enthusiasm for a repeat of the Grand Coalition (CDU/CSU & SPD).

From a Danish perspective, it will be interesting to see if SSW makes the cut for a place in the Bundestag.
 
Cancel the pipeline.

I would argue that the pipeline makes Russia much more dependent on Germany than the other way around, trapping Moscow in the resource curse.
It's not like Germany is buying twice as much gas just because it has access to two pipelines.
 
For those who would like some numbers to go with that, the prognosis on ARD (German public broadcaster) has CDU/CSU on 24,7% (their worst performance since the war), SPD on 24,9%, AfD on 11,3%, FDP on 11,2%, Linke (Left) on 5%, the Greens on 14,8% and others on 8,1%.
Full official, though yet preliminary, results are:
SPD (social democrats): 25.7% of the vote, 206 seats in parliament
CDU/CDU (conservatives): 24.1 / 196 seats
Greens: 14.8% / 118
FDP (liberal/business): 11,5% / 92
AfD (CTers, anti-everything, nationalist nutjobs): 10.3% / 83
Die Linke (socialist; former GDR state party): 4.9% / 39
SSW (Danish minority): 0.1% / 1 seat
Everyone else (30 or so tiny parties): 8.5% / 0 seats

We have a "5% hurdle" rule that stipulates that the percentage you get in the general election counts towards your numbers of seats only if you get at least 5.000% of the total vote - OR if you win 3 seats outright by winning a relative majority of direct votes, and thus a personal candidate winning, in at least 3 out of the 299 voting districts. This applies to "Die Linke" ("The Left"), which failed the 5% hurdle, but won enough districts to get their 4.9% of seats.

The Danish coverage had a reporter suggest that both CDU/CSU and SPD will attempt to form a government, though who ends up governing remains up in the air.
The CDU candidate, Armin Laschet, pretends to be serious when he claims that he has now a mandate to form a government - but everyone outside his party, and not few inside it, see clearly that he and his party suffered a crashing loss: They lost a quarter of their share of votes compared to the last election in 2017, and finished second in national elections for the first time since 1998, and only the 3rd time in the Federal Republic's history (since 1949), with the lowest vote share ever by an extreme margin.
So Laschet is really not in a position to call any shots. There essentially only one configuration where he might get handed the chancellorship - not by his own doing, but by grace offered by two of the smaller parties. I'll explain.

The reigning coalition under Angela Merkel is "black-red", meaning CDU/CSU and the SPD, with Angela Merkel of the CDU being chancellor because all those years of her reign, her party was the largest in parliament.

The same two parties still add up to a >50% majority, but with the ranking reversed. The only realistic option for "red-black" would be under a Chancellor Olaf Scholz (currently Merkels's vice chancellor, and minister for finances), with Laschet at best becoming Scholz' "vice". But I'd guess this is not really attractive to the SPD, which has been the "junior" party for too long, to now still coalesce with the conservatives.

Scholz' other option is the "traffic light" ("Ampel") coalition, so named after the colors red, green, yellow for SPD, the Greens, and the "liberal" FDP - where "liberal" does not at all mean what it means in US parlance, but rather what it actually means: the FDP stands for individual rights, and particularly the protection and freedom of the individual businessperson. It has traditionally had "left" and "right" wings - "social liberals" and "national liberals", with a constant core of "economy liberals".
The FDP has in the past prefered to form coalitions with the more conservative CDU, but coalitions with the SPD are nothing new, and even the "traffic light" has been tried - there is currently such a governing coalition in one of our 16 states (Rhineland-Palatinate). Previous attempts at "traffic light" in other states however did not see the end of their respective regular end of term.
Whether or not such a coalition has a chance depends mostly on whether the FDP wants to be part of a governing coalition enough to bite what is two "sour apples" to them, the social-democrats AND the Greens.

More palatable to the FDP would be the last of the three major options on the table right now: A so-called "Jamaica" coalition, so named after the three colors of the Jamaican flag, which stand for CDU (black), Greens (green) and FDP (yellow). Here again, Greens and FDP would be a "sour apple" to one another, and the CDU would be a "sour apple" to the Greens, although perhaps not quite as sour as the SPD is to the FDP - after all, the Greens, despite conventionally being seen as a left-leaning party, has a surprisingly strong share of (formerly) conservative voters (such as yours truly, and many of his friends).
So we see that two of three possible coalitions include the Greens and the FDP, and so it is expected that those two will first talk to one another, to figure out which bigger partner they are going to support; and then for them to bargain with a unified front against either the SPD or the CDU, to find out which of the larger partners would cede the most concessions.

If Greens and FDP play hardball too much, or if one of them decides that remaining in the opposition is a good enough option, in the end we might see a fall-back to the "red-black" aka "Great Coalition" (so named because it involves the two largest parties).

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Without having consumed any commentary on the news media so far today, my guess is that "red-green-yellow" has the best chance of success, as it would unite the three winners of the election, and signal the most change. It hinges on the FDP accepting a role as #3 - but surely, the other two have to offer them content beyond their 11.5% weight. "Simplify taxes" could be a token.

I can't imagine AfD will be invited to any talks, and there seems to be little enthusiasm for a repeat of the Grand Coalition (CDU/CSU & SPD).
Absolutely no. They are not needed, and absolutely no one at all wants so much as to touch them. They also are among the losers of this election (from 12.6% down to 10.3%), and who wants to elevate a bunch of loser ********?




From a Danish perspective, it will be interesting to see if SSW makes the cut for a place in the Bundestag.
See above: The SSW had 1 candiate win a majority in her or his voting district and thus ascend to the national parliament, the Bundestag. The party itself did not make "the cut". So it's only this one seat.
A bit of an exotic curiosity.
 

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