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Have you been vaccinated?

Have you been vaccinated?

  • Yes, I am fully vaccinated.

    Votes: 172 86.4%

  • I have received 1 vaccination shot

    Votes: 17 8.5%

  • No, I intend to but haven't got around to it.

    Votes: 3 1.5%

  • No, There are personal medical reasons that I should not receive the vaccine

    Votes: 1 0.5%

  • No, COVID is a hoax. The vaccine is part of some Communist plot.

    Votes: 4 2.0%

  • No, God will protect me. You cannot trust science.

    Votes: 2 1.0%
  • Total voters
    199
Craig4 said:
Moderna knocked me for a loop. I got the shot in the morning and felt fine until about five in the afternoon. Then, it hit me like a ton of bricks. I was miserable for about 36 hours.
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Anecdotally just from people I know personally, the Moderna shot seems to have worse reactions than the Pfizer.
 
dirtywick said:
Anecdotally just from people I know personally, the Moderna shot seems to have worse reactions than the Pfizer.
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That's what I gather from my nonscientific study of friends and coworkers too. People who got pfizer were down for a day, those who got Moderna were down for two. I only know two people who got the J and J so not enough data to tell.
 
Craig4 said:
That's what I gather from my nonscientific study of friends and coworkers too. People who got pfizer were down for a day, those who got Moderna were down for two. I only know two people who got the J and J so not enough data to tell.
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My husband and I both got Moderna. Other than a sore arm for a day or two, nothing of note. Same for our daughter who got Pfizer.
 
Warp12 said:
You know, now it all makes sense. I was upset with CVS corporation for this new policy, but now I realize that one of these stupid split-tails probably misread the memo. :thumbsup:
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Good marketing opportunity there, Warp! I'm sure it would be a big hit among the self-professed 'family values' group.



“It’s an American ideal that we treat women with respect,” one man insisted. He was wearing a shirt that featured Hillary Clinton and Monica Lewinsky’s faces and said, “Hillary sucks… but not like Monica.” The back read, “Trump that bitch.”
 
dirtywick said:
Can you explain that more? I don't understand what 3 times more means.
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I expect it is as measured by volume or mass.

Comparing the Covid-19 vaccines developed by Pfizer, Moderna, and Johnson & Johnson

Each dose of Pfizer’s contains 30 micrograms of vaccine. Moderna went with a much larger dose of vaccine, 100 micrograms. It means the company is using a little more than three times as much vaccine per person as Pfizer is. And yet, they aren’t getting better results. The government’s vaccine development program, formerly called Operation Warp Speed, has asked Moderna to test if it could lower the dosage of its vaccine without eroding the vaccine’s protection.
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So just over three times more actual vaccine by mass.
 
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acbytesla said:
They're not the same vaccine though. They're both based on the same principle though. So isn't it a bit like comparing apples and oranges? Or maybe different varieties of apples.
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Sure, but getting pelted with 3 times as many granny smith apples (by mass) is probably going to have a greater potential for adverse effects than a lesser amount of red delicious or even nectarines. Moderna and Pfizer are the apples in this case and J&J the nectarines using a different method to get cells to produce the protein 'spikes' that emulate the virus for the immune reaction


Though, produce humor aside, both Moderna and Pfizer use the same mRNA approach to produce the proteins, that J&J doesn't use, while all three do get cells in the body to produce an emulating (of the virus) surface proteins. Certainly those methods and the variation can be factors, not to mention the proteins each produce to emulate the virous. Still over three times has much has to have some impact unless the response (for Moderna) is just generally so weak that such amount is needed to get consistent results. Which of course would mean that for people where the Moderna response is good, they can potentially get wacked 3 times as hard with the initial immune response.

We've all had Moderna here and didn't notice anything other than basically just having stuff injected into our arms. Though two of us are on immunosuppressants, so our immune responses are deliberately suppressed.
 
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Doubly vaccinated but caught Covid. Mild symptoms that felt like a head cold. Three days without a sense of smell. Does the "three times more" refer to cost?
 
The Man said:
Sure, but getting pelted with 3 times as many granny smith apples (by mass) is probably going to have a greater potential for adverse effects than a lesser amount of red delicious or even nectarines. Moderna and Pfizer are the apples in this case and J&J the nectarines using a different method to get cells to produce the protein 'spikes' that emulate the virus for the immune reaction
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Is this a good analogy though? Both doses are really not that large.

The Man said:
Though, produce humor aside, both Moderna and Pfizer use the same mRNA approach to produce the proteins, that J&J doesn't use, while all three do get cells in the body to produce an emulating (of the virus) surface proteins. Certainly those methods and the variation can be factors, not to mention the proteins each produce to emulate the virous. Still over three times has much has to have some impact unless the response (for Moderna) is just generally so weak that such amount is needed to get consistent results. Which of course would mean that for people where the Moderna response is good, they can potentially get wacked 3 times as hard with the initial immune response.

We've all had Moderna here and didn't notice anything other than basically just having stuff injected into our arms. Though two of us are on immunosuppressants, so our immune responses are deliberately suppressed.
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I had the Pfizer and felt no ill effects after the first or second shot outside of a little tenderness where I received the injections. That lasted for a few days.
 
acbytesla said:
Is this a good analogy though? Both doses are really not that large.
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Try to think of it in terms of if the throwers of the apples have good aim or not. If the mRNA is doing a good job, its like the throwers have better aim and a greater potential for a big immune response and general temporary nastiness. If the mRNA for, whatever reason, ain't quite hitting all the marks it could, then bad aim apple throwers and less potential for an apple sauce pelting. The amounts are different so how it balances out or doesn't, comes down to how effective the throwers are.

Just volume wise with a typical 1 ml syringe the Moderna dose would be about 1/10 the syringe and the Pfizer one third of that
 
dirtywick said:
Can you explain that more? I don't understand what 3 times more means.
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I thought it was more than this so I'll keep looking:

PubMed
Pfizer/BioNTech Vaccine has been recommended to people 16 years of age and older, with a dose of 30 μg (0.3 m)...

Moderna Vaccine has been recommended to people 18 years of age and older, with a dose of 50 μg
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