Pandemic Panic Must Stop

[cullennz]

Bearing in mind we have currently a Labour government, which is ****, so you winning this is actually a me winning it, because it it means less power to workers, and you are basically punching the chosen one in her face

 

[PhantomWolf]

FFS There is no law here saying they CAN

SG was talking about US employment law, which is nothing like NZ employment law.

 

[cullennz]

I was. which is kind of why I was at pains to say it.

 

[cullennz]

Completely open again or though already said

Have no idea about other countries law

 

[PhantomWolf]

I was. which is kind of why I was at pains to say it.

Perhaps, but considering that the topic of work mandates was brought up by Nosi who was talking about US Laws, then it is understandable that SG was also doing so.

 

[cullennz]

Having said that assuming overseas rights includes no un wanted medical. But not not sure how much enmployers can break contracts with extras

 

[PhantomWolf]

In fact going back and looking, it's clear that the thread at that point was mostly about US Law.

The only way the USA will get to anything close to 80% vaccinated is to put vaccine mandates in force in the vast majority of private businesses. We are already seeing the beginning of that, as Biden mandated vaccination for Federal Workers, the military is mandating vaccinations for personnel, and Big Tech is mandating for their workers.

Forgive my ignorance as come from a wee piece of nothing on the arse end of the world and have no idea of US employment contracts, but I still have trouble seeing how you can suddenly telling existing workers there is a new pre-provision you are vaccinated added, you didn't sign up for.

Don't get me wrong, workers rights may be crap there, but it is landmine stuff here.

Why not? Even union contracts were no match for the requirement nurses had to get flu shots as an infection control measure. Hospitals won that one.

The world isn't stagnant. This is a public health crisis of the largest magnitude. The idea an employer can't 'make people get shots' is a knee-jerk reaction I have seen from TB skin tests made mandatory in fire departments to the flu shot example in hospitals. The facts say otherwise. The tests and vaccinations are now accepted realities.

These posts were all about the US employer mandates.

 

[cullennz]

SG was talking about US employment law, which is nothing like NZ employment law.

Fair play

Apologies SG if I wasn't clear enough.

I was looking at it from a specific country point of view.

 

[PhantomWolf]

Having said that assuming overseas rights includes no un wanted medical.

That's a bad assumption. Human rights vary by nation. For instance, in the US gun ownership is a right, but healthcare is not. Here gun ownership is a privilege and healthcare is a right.

But not not sure how much enmployers can break contracts with extras

The US doesn't have employment contracts as we understand them here.

 

[cullennz]

In fact going back and looking, it's clear that the thread at that point was mostly about US Law.







These posts were all about the US employer mandates.

You have a rather picky way of finding quotes, I find funny

 

[cullennz]

The US doesn't have employment contracts as we understand them here.

Well no **** Sherlock. That was the point I kept trying to make

 

[PhantomWolf]

You have a rather picky way of finding quotes, I find funny

How was it picky, I literally posted the entire chain of posts. The only posts that were made in that time period that I didn't list were my reply to you and your reply to me, both of which were irrelevant as SkepticGinger was not replying to those posts.

 

[PhantomWolf]

Well no **** Sherlock. That was the point I kept trying to make

You have a very confusing way of doing so then as your posts read as if you are having trouble understanding how employers in the US can make their workers do things like mandate vaccines.

 

[cullennz]

Depends on whether the words "I have no idea about US employment contracts" completely escapes your brain power

 

[PhantomWolf]

Depends on whether the words "I have no idea about US employment contracts" completely escapes your brain power

so why are you arguing with people trying to explain to you what they are like and how employers can do these things there?

 

[cullennz]

so why are you arguing with people trying to explain to you what they are like and how employers can do these things there?

Im not.

I am saying I acknowledged that from day one, and am gettting slagged off for pointing out it can't happen here legally employment law wise.

 

[cullennz]

You could just read the posts

 

[cullennz]

OK United States

Now that Phantom has pointed out I may not have made it clear my cases were talking about NZ even though I kept saying NZ I apologise to your entire nation with my posts on this thread. As Phantom says, you may have missed the obvious. But personally disagree

 

[lionking]

Fair enough

Happy to roll. Prove to me a company can force and existing eployee who has already signed a contract without it has to be vaxed or is sacked in NZ law.

I await with baited breath

You are the one making the claim. I’ve pointed out that employers in Australia can mandate vaccinations. It’s on you to prove they can’t.

But you won’t. And the NZ Bill of Rights is not relevant.

 

[cullennz]

You are the one making the claim. I’ve pointed out that employers in Australia can mandate vaccinations. It’s on you to prove they can’t.

But you won’t. And the NZ Bill of Rights is not relevant.

No mate. You are saying an employer can sack someone for specifically not having it.

One and only reason for sacking

Prove your claim

Going lefty again. The worker is not claiming anything. You are