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Pandemic Panic Must Stop

The Atheist said:
Did not understand the OP, but do tell me what number of kids you think is an acceptable death total for Covid, and how panic responses help the fight.
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0, and I don't see panicked responses.

Wow, do tell!

We already have James Bond in the thread, and now we're joined by Nostradamus!

A Red Letter Day indeed.

In what way will Covid not become endemic?
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The same way we have gotten rid of Smallpox, and are near to ridding the planet of the likes of measles, polio, rubella, and mumps.

Vaccines and precautions around those that are sick. If we get every person that can be vaccinated, vaccinated, this goes the same way as Smallpox, SARS, MERS, and the Dodo. Heck, we could have ended this over a year ago but for the idiots in charge of the lifeboat who were more interested in preserving their political careers than saving lives.

There are exactly zero reasons for this to be endemic except for human stupidity. You literally live in a country that proved it could be done, and it's only because of the idiots outside of our borders refusing to deal with the problem in the same way, but rather sticking their heads in the sand and claiming there is nothing that they can do, that it has managed to make its way back here.
 
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The only way the USA will get to anything close to 80% vaccinated is to put vaccine mandates in force in the vast majority of private businesses. We are already seeing the beginning of that, as Biden mandated vaccination for Federal Workers, the military is mandating vaccinations for personnel, and Big Tech is mandating for their workers.
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Nosi said:
The only way the USA will get to anything close to 80% vaccinated is to put vaccine mandates in force in the vast majority of private businesses. We are already seeing the beginning of that, as Biden mandated vaccination for Federal Workers, the military is mandating vaccinations for personnel, and Big Tech is mandating for their workers.
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Forgive my ignorance as come from a wee piece of nothing on the arse end of the world and have no idea of US employment contracts, but I still have trouble seeing how you can suddenly telling existing workers there is a new pre-provision you are vaccinated added, you didn't sign up for.

Don't get me wrong, workers rights may be crap there, but it is landmine stuff here.
 
cullennz said:
Forgive my ignorance as come from a wee piece of nothing on the arse end of the world and have no idea of US employment contracts, but I still have trouble seeing how you can suddenly telling existing workers there is a new pre-provision you are vaccinated added, you didn't sign up for.

Don't get me wrong, workers rights may be crap there, but it is landmine stuff here.
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One area where our worker's rights is a pain, we're currently trying to determine the best way to deal with staff in the rest home that aren't getting vaccinated. Making it mandatory would be wonderful. As it is, it's a case of adding incentives to get it done and disincentives to avoiding it. In a lot of the US, you can almost pretty much fire someone for any reason you like, outside of directly because of their race, gender, or sexual preference.
 
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PhantomWolf said:
One area where our worker's rights is a pain, we're currently trying to determine the best way to deal with staff in the rest home that aren't getting vaccinated. Making it mandatory would be wonderful. As it is, it's a case of adding incentives to get it done and disincentives to avoiding it. In a lot of the US, you can almost pretty much fire someone for any reason you like, outside of directly because of their race, gender, or sexual preference.
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Totally agree, but it is one of those things I switch to a bit of a lefty over :)

You signed up for for what you signed up for and unless the govt make the vaccine compulsary then while annoying, you just have to work around weirdo ani=vaxxers.

Tell them their role now includes cleaning the cars in the car park all day etc. Just have to sork with job role and annoy the crap out of them till they do it.
 
cullennz said:
Forgive my ignorance as come from a wee piece of nothing on the arse end of the world and have no idea of US employment contracts, but I still have trouble seeing how you can suddenly telling existing workers there is a new pre-provision you are vaccinated added, you didn't sign up for.

Don't get me wrong, workers rights may be crap there, but it is landmine stuff here.
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Why not? Even union contracts were no match for the requirement nurses had to get flu shots as an infection control measure. Hospitals won that one.

The world isn't stagnant. This is a public health crisis of the largest magnitude. The idea an employer can't 'make people get shots' is a knee-jerk reaction I have seen from TB skin tests made mandatory in fire departments to the flu shot example in hospitals. The facts say otherwise. The tests and vaccinations are now accepted realities.
 
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cullennz said:
Totally agree, but it is one of those things I switch to a bit of a lefty over :)

You signed up for for what you signed up for and unless the govt make the vaccine compulsary then while annoying, you just have to work around weirdo ani=vaxxers.

Tell them their role now includes cleaning the cars in the car park all day etc. Just have to sork with job role and annoy the crap out of them till they do it.
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Workers have a right to quit.

Preferably however you work with people to get things done. For TB tests we told people they were mandatory and explained the reason was surveillance for a hazard for the whole department, not just the individual. Initially there were no consequences. The point of making them mandatory with no consequences was to show the employees management wholly endorsed the testing.

For flu shots it was thoroughly explained why it was an infection control measure, not something people were used to seeing a vaccine as being. Nurses had the option of wearing a mask for the flu season.

Now those shots are accepted as routine.

Delta wants employees to pay $200 more a month in health insurance premiums. Health insurance costs are going through the roof with unvaccinated employees driving them the highest. For some of the other companies it is a PR issue. You don't want an employee causing dozens of customers to have to be quarantined. For the schools, they are having trouble opening and unvaccinated adults are contributing to the problem.

Too bad you didn't sign up for this. Neither did the rest of us.
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
Why not? Even union contracts were no match for the requirement nurses had to get flu shots as an infection control measure. Hospitals won that one.

The world isn't stagnant. This is a public health crisis of the largest magnitude. The idea an employer can't 'make people get shots' is a knee-jerk reaction I have seen from TB skin tests made mandatory in fire departments to the flu shot example in hospitals. The facts say otherwise. The tests and vaccinations are now accepted realities.
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Do you mind posting a link to that?

As from what I know forcing people to under go medical treatments not in their employment contracts is not only against simple employment law if already signed, it is against human ights law.

As I said. Minefield
 
The human rights law bit being why no sane countries govts have made vaxxing compulsary
 
cullennz said:
Do you mind posting a link to that?

As from what I know forcing people to under go medical treatments not in their employment contracts is not only against simple employment law if already signed, it is against human ights law.

As I said. Minefield
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What link do you want? There is no law here saying an employer can't mandate vaccinations or TB skin tests. Kind of hard to prove the negative there.

I can guarantee you both flu shots and TB skin tests were mandatory as I describe. It's been years now and both are accepted as routine.
 
Current human rights law says no forced un wanted medical treatments.

Not sure why this is so new to you
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
What link do you want? There is no law here saying an employer can't mandate vaccinations or TB skin tests. Kind of hard to prove the negative there.

I can guarantee you both flu shots and TB skin tests were mandatory as I describe. It's been years now and both are accepted as routine.
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FFS There is no law here saying they CAN
 
Unless it is in a new contract the employee signs.


This **** ain't rocket science
 
lionking said:
More nonsense.
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Fair enough

Happy to roll. Prove to me a company can force and existing eployee who has already signed a contract without it has to be vaxed or is sacked in NZ law.

I await with baited breath
 
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