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That quote is actually from this site:

http://kaheel7.com/eng/index.php/picture-a-verse/494-cosmic-smoke

which is an Islamic site that is deliberately misrepresenting NASA findings

Here's an actual NASA site:

https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/missio...cecraft/cassini-orbiter/cosmic-dust-analyzer/

and this is what it actually says:



Here's another scientific site:

https://herscheltelescope.org.uk/science/infrared/dust/



Note neither use the phrase "cosmic smoke", both continue to call it cosmic dust. The word smoke is only used to indicate the size of some of the particles which make it up.

It is clear that what your sources are doing is desperately searching the scientific literature to find something - anything - which they can somehow interpret as vindication of a verse in the Qu'ran by cynically twisting the latter's meaning, whilst ignoring the many many more scientific discoveries and Qu'ranic verses which cannot be manipulated in this way. It's dishonest and pathetic, and it will not fly here.

Hello. Thank you very much for your honest post and answer, Ms. Quranic verse that was said before: We raised the sky while it was smoky. Refers to the Big Bang incident. After the terrible explosion and scattering of particles in space, the sky was formed and celestial bodies in different species began to move in different orbits and the universe flowed. This has nothing to do with the scientific theories and human discoveries of the present century. And confirms it. Although cosmic smoke has been in the Big Bang, the discovery of the collapse of the young star recently observed by Hubble has shown that the smoke from the explosion has been released into space.
Quoted from NASA website:
This young star (YSO) is scientifically known as SSTC2D J033038.2 + 303212, which is located in the constellation Barsavsh. The young star appears to have its own hot gas eruptions, which illuminate the upper part of the nebula's gas column.The Hubble Space Telescope has photographed the formation of this young star in its early stages of development, which shows that the star spins rapidly during formation and throws chemicals and nitrogen around. These species of young stars are studied based on their rotational inclination. In fact, there are several bright stars in the glowing dust, this cosmic dust is a reflecting nebula called B77 [63], a cloud of interstellar gas that reflects the light of the stars inside.
So there is cosmic smoke and it is one of the new discoveries of astronomy.
 
Mojo, like everyone else you're talking to, already knows perfectly well what light years are, and doesn't need book recommendations from you.

What he is trying to find out is whether you know what you're talking about, or are simply mindlessly parroting your sources.

This response, like most of your resources, suggests the latter.

If you want to be taken seriously you need to be able to answer such questions in your own words. Though frankly that ship has already sailed.

I do not deny his or her scientific mastery. I was asked for a scientific source for what I said, and I was obliged to answer them and introduce the scientific source. That was my job. Unfortunately, some friends get upset soon. I know that I have participated in this debate with some scientists. And scientifically I am less than them. And I admit his greatness. But this is the procedure. Dear friends, do not be upset by my answer. Thanks
 
I was asked for a scientific source for what I said
You were asked for evidence, not a book recommendation. That means not just a link to actual science, which you did not provide, but an explanation of how that science supports your argument, which you not only did not, but evidently cannot, provide.

You were also asked if you knew what light years measured. Do you?
 
Dear all friends, I also have a greeting. I needed to tell you something about my article: The Qur'an is not a scientific encyclopedia but some of the scientific material in the seventh century! Has pointed out. And its purpose was only to encourage humans to pursue the discovery of these sciences. And to progress and evolve.- Note that it only refers to various scientific topics. It does not tell the details of that science, nor all the subjects and disciplines.That is, it provides only the motivation for human progress. This is a new type of management. - As I said before; Religion was "Islam" from the first man who was "Adam". And in every age there has been a name and a prophet and a Bible. But none of the prophets and their Bibles are in conflict with each other and there is no contradiction between them. You see, there is something from the Qur'an that I said in the Bible of other Islamic religions, such as the Bible, the Torah, or the Psalms.
This is not a case of contradiction or plagiarism. Because the source of all these books is the same and he is God. - The purpose of the Qur'an in presenting scientific material, as I said, is only to encourage man to reach and discover that science. We see humans moving in this direction and it makes us happy. Therefore, the purpose of the Qur'an and God is not that we humans want to adapt the Qur'an to science, and this is wrong. The Qur'an speaks of what "is" and "exists". And that whatever it is is exactly according to science and no contradiction is observed. Let me give you an example:
"Stephen Hawking" In one of his most recent remarks at the 17th International Conference on General Relativity and Gravity, held in July 2004 in Dublin, the capital of Southern Ireland, he made two key points: first, that information remains stable in the world; He asked Hawking what was the significance of his new conclusion for "life, the world, and all things." Hawking agreed to answer this question, and after a period of scrutiny with his computer program, replied, "This conclusion shows that everything in the universe is governed by the laws of physics."
In the Qur'an, Surah Malik verse 3 says:
"... You will not find disorder in the creation of the Merciful God. So look again [at the intellect in the system of creation], do you find any defect in it?"
Or in Surah An'am, verse 59, she says: "... there is nothing wet or dry unless it is revealed in the Book of the( knowledge ) of God."
 
You were asked for evidence, not a book recommendation. That means not just a link to actual science, which you did not provide, but an explanation of how that science supports your argument, which you not only did not, but evidently cannot, provide.

You were also asked if you knew what light years measured. Do you?

You have to be patient. I will prove to you that there is a supernatural and its effects and signs can be seen from the same scientific materials taken from reputable scientific sources that you know. wait. Also light year; The distance traveled by light is 300,000 kilometers per second over the course of a year. that's mean:
300000 * 60 * 60 * 24 * 365 = 9460800000000 km
About 9,400 billion kilometers. This means that this distance is 60,000 times the distance from the earth to the sun!
 
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By string theory, physicists seek to discover the power of the cosmic unit. We know that Einstein until the last years of his life (1951) sought the union of the two forces of graviton (gravity) and electromagnetism. At that time, young scientists of his time presented Einstein with two strong atomic forces (the bond between a proton and a neutron inside a nucleus) and a weak one (radioactive), which he refused to accept quantum laws and the famous phrase "God does not roll the dice." Made it global!
To understand whether there is a boundary between matter and antimatter, or physics and metaphysics, or intuition and the unseen? We must follow the understanding of the following! Does our universe end in just four dimensions of length, width, height and time?
When you and your friend are on the street (x), 8th Alley, No. 20 (Y), only two dimensions X, Y are defined. If building number 20 has several floors, you have to address the third floor or dimension (Z) as well! But are our communications summarized in these three dimensions?
No, because your friend will also ask you about the appointment time (fourth dimension)! If he does not ask you the time, it is unlikely that you will both be at the same time. (Tomorrow, another week or ...) So the fourth dimension did not need much discovery, but its calculation in relationships is mandatory. Scientists used their calculations to hypothesize the presence of the fifth, sixth, seventh to eleventh dimensions and even more. How about On a street or in your neighborhood, look at a bird perched on a cable sitting between two light poles from a distance. What do you see? A bird perched on a single-dimensional cable (extending in the X longitudinal direction)!Now look closely, you will be surprised. A bundle of strings made of several strands of twisted wicks and ants moving in different directions. The degree of freedom of ants' movement can be defined in more dimensions, and for the ants, Kabul is a one-dimensional, multi-dimensional world bird for their movement! Scientists used the same method to look at molecules, then atoms, then elementary particles, and finally quarks. As long as they looked at the macro world from a distance, four dimensions did not allow them to understand more dimensions, but when they entered
The quantum world became, the laws of physics began to play!
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There's really no point in you continuing to post (usually inaccurate) summaries of science you don't understand, heydarian. Most posters here are already very familiar with it, and it's not like you can clarify anything for those that aren't.

Your contention that any of it was anticipated in the Qu'ran has been thoroughly refuted, so there's no reason to continue to flog that dead horse either. Even your claim that the Qu'ran encourages scientific discovery is unlikely to stand up to scrutiny.

So just go ahead and make your case for the supernatural, assuming you have one.
 
There's really no point in you continuing to post (usually inaccurate) summaries of science you don't understand, heydarian. Most posters here are already very familiar with it, and it's not like you can clarify anything for those that aren't.

Your contention that any of it was anticipated in the Qu'ran has been thoroughly refuted, so there's no reason to continue to flog that dead horse either. Even your claim that the Qu'ran encourages scientific discovery is unlikely to stand up to scrutiny.

So just go ahead and make your case for the supernatural, assuming you have one.
Heydarrian thinks light years are a measure of time.

Not sure what to do with that.
 
Also light year; The distance traveled by light is 300,000 kilometers per second over the course of a year. that's mean:
300000 * 60 * 60 * 24 * 365 = 9460800000000 km
About 9,400 billion kilometers. This means that this distance is 60,000 times the distance from the earth to the sun!


What did you mean, then, when you wrote “almost 14 billion light-years have passed since then”, or “4 billion light years later”?
 
Hi dear friend. In addition to the relevant sites for astronomical calculations and light years, etc., I would like to introduce to you the book "Creation of the Universe" and the subtitle "The Meaning of the Universe" by Fred Heeren, which is a comprehensive and good book in this regard.


The best way to make such an introduction would be to provide a link to somewhere that the text of the book, or information about it, can be found. Any chance that you can provide such links? Or maybe just some information about who the the publisher was, and where and when it was published? You know, the basic information you should be able to provide if you cite a book?
 
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You were asked for evidence, not a book recommendation.


The same author has published one called “Show Me God: What the Message from Space Is Telling Us About God“, but I can’t find any trace of the “Creation of the Universe: The Meaning of the Universe” one on the internet. I’m waiting for heydarian saeed to provide some publishing details for it.
 
Ms. Quranic verse that was said before: We raised the sky while it was smoky. Refers to the Big Bang incident.

No it doesn't it probably refers to the following verse from the bible.

Isaiah 51:6
Lift up your eyes to the heavens, and look upon the earth beneath: for the heavens shall vanish away like smoke, and the earth shall wax old like a garment, and they that dwell therein shall die in like manner: but my salvation shall be for ever, and my righteousness shall not be abolished.
 
The Quran is not an authority on science, and even if it was it could not be used as evidence that the Quran is an authority on science (which is the aim of your argument here, remember?).

Please provide some evidence to back up your claim that science has concluded that “almost 4 billion light years later … the seventh Big Bang event will occur and the eighth sky, which is the world and the world of the Hereafter (Resurrection), will be created.”

Hi dear friend. The answer below is about estimating the lifespan of the universe so far. Also the answer to the question of the seven heavens in the Qur'an. Please read. Thanks:
In cosmology, physics refers to the "life of the universe" as the time elapsed since the BIG BANG. That is, it is assumed that the beginning of the universe (creation) coincided with the BIG BANG phenomenon.
The best estimate that physicists have ever made of the life of the universe is 13.75 billion years (with an error of about 120 million years). This is the last estimate of the lifespan of the universe. And according to the data and information obtained from the WMAP spacecraft. WMAP stands for Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP).(Wickelson Microwave Anisotropy Probe)
The spacecraft was sent into space by NASA to study and measure the temperature of cosmic background radiation (fossil radiation left over from the Big Bang).
The project is led by Charles L. Bennett of Johns Hopkins University.This 13.75 billion years (with an error of about 120 million years) is the last estimate for the life of the universe. This number was announced in 2010.
If we look at the history of scientists estimating the life of the universe, we come across some interesting numbers.
One theory was called the Steady State Theory. The "steady state theory" was not believed by the physicists and cosmologists at the time of the Big Bang and Big Bang models. Due to the expansion of the universe, new matter was created in the form of hydrogen in the space between them. This newly created hydrogen eventually creates new galaxies, thus keeping the observed density of galaxies constant. The universe has neither a beginning nor an end, and will remain stable, as the name implies. Because new matter is always being created, it is also called Continuous Creation Theory. After the publication of Einstein's theory of general relativity in 1915, a man named Georges Edward Lumetre published a book in 1933. In this book, Lumeter used Einstein's theory to show that the universe must have started with a big bang. The presentation of the big bang theory comes to Mr. Lumetre for the first time. He used Einstein's theory of relativity and showed that according to this theory, the universe could not remain fixed and unchanged. It is very interesting and funny. Einstein did not accept the idea presented by him after hearing Lumetre's comments, but he knew that his arguments were also correct. On the other hand, he did not want to accept the idea of ​​the big bang. He wanted to get rid of it. Anyway, Einstein set to work and to solve this problem he introduced something new in his theory so that both his theory and the steady state theory would still be correct. He introduced his theory and formulas and called the cosmological constant COSMOLOGICAL CONSTANT.
The first astronomical observations that showed the existence of the Big Bang, which practically showed that the universe and the universe are still growing and expanding, were presented by Edwin Hubble.
He examined the light coming from different galaxies. He was surprised to find that most of the galaxies that reach us are drawn to the red spectrum.
what does it mean?
I explain. Suppose an ambulance approaches you. When it approaches you, you hear the sound of the siren at a higher frequency, and when it moves away from you, you hear the sound of the alarm at a lower frequency.
Familiar is not it? Yes, this is the Doppler theorem that we have been taught in science textbooks at school. Put the galaxy instead of the ambulance. Put the galaxy light instead of the ambulance. Yes, Hubble observed that the light of the galaxies is drawn towards the red spectrum. Its frequency has decreased. It means that it is moving away from us. Why ?
Why should most of the galaxies we see be moving away from us?
Suppose the universe is a cake. A raisin cake. Think of each galaxy as a galaxy.
When you put the cake in the oven, the cake swells and grows and swells. In this case, all the raisins are moving away from each other.
Exactly what is seen in the universe. Exactly what Edwin Hubble observed. It turned out that Einstein was wrong and that the universe was growing and inflating.
The universe is expanding. If this movie is the other way around, it means that all these curds were gathered in one place one day. At the moment of the initial explosion.Hubble did not have a good estimate of this time. His error in measuring the lifespan of the universe was very large. In 2010, WMAP introduced 13.75 billion years of experimental evidence (with an error of about 120 million years).
A new theory about the origin of the universe by
Two British scientists, Stephen Hawking and Neil Torok, claimed in 1998 that "the universe was no more than a pea before the Big Bang 12 billion years ago." Eight years later, in 2006, a joint team of American and British scientists proposed a new theory of the evolution of the universe. The theory is that the universe is likely to go through a cycle of which Big Bangs are only a part, and that it also includes Big Crunches. This theory challenges the conventional view of the universe, which is based on observations dating back 12 to 14 billion years. This theory is also called the Cyclic Model.
The theory is that the universe is likely to go through a cycle of which Big Bangs are a part and also includes Big Crunches. This theory challenges the conventional view of the universe, which is based on observations dating back 12 to 14 billion years.And Cyclic Model Theory
He says the universe is probably going through a cycle of which Big Bangs are just a part, and it also includes Big Crunches. This theory challenges the conventional view of the universe, which is based on observations dating back 12 to 14 billion years. A new idea reflected in the journal Science may explain why the universe is expanding rapidly. Professor Paul Stein Hart of Princeton University in New Jersey, who co-founded the theory, said:The new idea is based on previous studies by the same group of researchers and calls into question the current model of the universe. In the 1920s, when Einstein was developing the theory of general relativity, he introduced a cosmic constant to explain his idea of ​​a static world. Einstein's equations predicted that the universe would collapse under the pressure of gravity, while observations made it clear that the universe was not shrinking. Gravity resists.
This concept was discarded after observations showed that the universe was expanding, leading Einstein to describe the cosmic constant as the biggest mistake of his career. In 1998, a new form of cosmic constant emerged, and it was then that it became clear that the expansion of the universe was actually accelerating.
Professor Neil Torok of the University of Cambridge said:
"When the magnitude of this cosmic constant was calculated, it turned out to be much smaller than expected. Why this constant is so small has become one of the biggest questions in physics. "Right now, the only explanation for that is that maybe this is how the world works." This theory leaves many questions unanswered, but now Professors Steinhart and Torok have proposed a new theory to explain why the cosmological constant is small. They say that time actually began before the Big Bang, that is, before that there was another world. It also means that the present world is much older than it is today. Make a call.
The two worlds are eventually pulled together by the force of gravity and collide. This means that what is happening now will help create another world in the future.
 
Why on earth would a passage that clearly refers to smoke refer to the Big Bang? There was no smoke during the big bang. The big bang isn't an explosion.
 
Everything you wanted is in the scientific text above. And all this is mentioned in a few verses of the Qur'an that I have told you. Let me talk to you later through philosophy and science. So far it has been proved philosophically that human "science and perception" is not of matter and nature. And it is the essence of nature. Of course, it goes without saying that matter and nature are tools for human science and perception. And the nerves are its tools. But the final result that leads to the intuition of science and perception is through analogy and abstraction.
wait.
Thanks
 
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By string theory, physicists seek to discover the power of the cosmic unit. We know that Einstein until the last years of his life (1951) sought the union of the two forces of graviton (gravity) and electromagnetism. At that time, young scientists of his time presented Einstein with two strong atomic forces (the bond between a proton and a neutron inside a nucleus) and a weak one (radioactive), which he refused to accept quantum laws and the famous phrase "God does not roll the dice." Made it global!
To understand whether there is a boundary between matter and antimatter, or physics and metaphysics, or intuition and the unseen? We must follow the understanding of the following! Does our universe end in just four dimensions of length, width, height and time?
When you and your friend are on the street (x), 8th Alley, No. 20 (Y), only two dimensions X, Y are defined. If building number 20 has several floors, you have to address the third floor or dimension (Z) as well! But are our communications summarized in these three dimensions?
No, because your friend will also ask you about the appointment time (fourth dimension)! If he does not ask you the time, it is unlikely that you will both be at the same time. (Tomorrow, another week or ...) So the fourth dimension did not need much discovery, but its calculation in relationships is mandatory. Scientists used their calculations to hypothesize the presence of the fifth, sixth, seventh to eleventh dimensions and even more. How about On a street or in your neighborhood, look at a bird perched on a cable sitting between two light poles from a distance. What do you see? A bird perched on a single-dimensional cable (extending in the X longitudinal direction)!Now look closely, you will be surprised. A bundle of strings made of several strands of twisted wicks and ants moving in different directions. The degree of freedom of ants' movement can be defined in more dimensions, and for the ants, Kabul is a one-dimensional, multi-dimensional world bird for their movement! Scientists used the same method to look at molecules, then atoms, then elementary particles, and finally quarks. As long as they looked at the macro world from a distance, four dimensions did not allow them to understand more dimensions, but when they entered
The quantum world became, the laws of physics began to play!
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Never mind about all the pseudo scientific baloney, you mention ants. Tell us about the ants. I mean the talking ants at surah 27.18

Quran 27.18

At length, when they came to a valley of ants. One of the ants said; "Oh ye ants, get into your habitation, lest Solomon and his hosts crush you without knowing".
 
Nonsense. The Qu'ran isn't a science textbook because as previously stated it gets very basic things wrong.

You're simply attempting, badly, to retrofit bits of the Qu'ran to match modern scientific knowledge. The ridiculous assertion that the passage referring to smoke is about the big bang is just one of the hamfisted attempts to shoehorn your preferred holy book into reality.
 
Why on earth would a passage that clearly refers to smoke refer to the Big Bang? There was no smoke during the big bang. The big bang isn't an explosion.
Hi. The Big Bang is the beginning of the creation of the universe. I do not say this new science and professors and scientists say. Please do not stay in the past tense and come forward. Do we really want to know what the beginning of the universe was like? I do not think you, like radical thinkers, believe that "the universe has existed from the beginning and will continue forever."
The Quran is ahead of us all. If not a big bang then what? You tell us to be enlightened. Thank you very much
 
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