The supernatural

[Cosmic Yak]

Mojo, like everyone else you're talking to, already knows perfectly well what light years are, and doesn't need book recommendations from you.

What he is trying to find out is whether you know what you're talking about, or are simply mindlessly parroting your sources.

This response, like most of your resources, suggests the latter.

If you want to be taken seriously you need to be able to answer such questions in your own words. Though frankly that ship has already sailed.

Plus, Fred Heeren is a Christian, and therefore presumably does not believe in either the existence of Allah, or the divine nature of the Quran.

 

[sackett]

,,,ganja...?

No, something starting with o. Oreganio? Organzja? Really dynamite boo, though. Wow.

 

[Robin]

No, something starting with o. Oreganio? Organzja? Really dynamite boo, though. Wow.

As in "It's oregano officer, honest. We were just about to make spag bol. Would you like to try one of these oregano cookies?"

 

[steenkh]

On my eyes. Sure. Please stay with us until the end of the article. Thank you very much

It is not necessary to stay with you to the end, because you have already failed: not a single of your chapters have accomplished what you set out to do, because you are using a doomed method: selectively picking words from the Quran and claiming they mean something else than what they obviously say.

 

[abaddon]

As it happens I am one of very few people on this forum who believes in the supernatural.

Yes, you indeed are. And I will happily admit that I think it is nonsense.

That being said, I will also admit you are doing a fine job of dismantling Heydarian's arguments, if they can be so called.

Keep going. You are rising in my estimation of your thinking. You are demonstrating that you exercise critical thought. That is a good thing.

but your beliefs are equally nutty

 

[Carlotta]

Yes, you indeed are. And I will happily admit that I think it is nonsense.

That being said, I will also admit you are doing a fine job of dismantling Heydarian's arguments, if they can be so called.

Keep going. You are rising in my estimation of your thinking. You are demonstrating that you exercise critical thought. That is a good thing.

but your beliefs are equally nutty

Yes, but much less violent and disagreeable.
Hang in there, Scorpion!

 

[heydarian saeed]

Hello, heydarian. What you've presented here is not a scientific discussion, at all.


Just to clear up what may simply be a confusion over how you're using these words, would you please define these terms as you're using them in this thread?

(1) Laboratory

(2) Supernatural

(3) Science/ scientific


Also: (4) You seem to have two separate discussions going here. One relates to showing us that the supernatural exists; and the other one's about how in your view the Quran anticipates recent scientific discoveries as well as promotes world peace, moral living, happiness, et cetera. It isn't clear how you intend to go about attempting the first part. Can you spell it out, how it is you intend to try to show us that the supernatural exists?

Hello dear master. Due to the posts and questions of my dear friends, I am forced to review and post other issues other than the main discussion of the article, which is supernatural. I know I deviate from the main discussion, but I also have a duty to answer. I apologize. Wait, I will say the main topic in the article. Thanks a lot

 

[heydarian saeed]

It is not necessary to stay with you to the end, because you have already failed: not a single of your chapters have accomplished what you set out to do, because you are using a doomed method: selectively picking words from the Quran and claiming they mean something else than what they obviously say.

Hello dear master. What I said about the Qur'an was a scientific reference. Because I wanted to introduce science and the method of man in pursuing scientific issues according to the encouragement of the Qur'an. After that, I proved through philosophy that "science and perception" is not of matter and nature, but is supernatural. Did you read this part of my article? If you have any questions or ambiguities about proving science and perception through the philosophy I have mentioned, let me examine and answer. Thank you very much

 

[heydarian saeed]

Never mind about all the pseudo scientific baloney, you mention ants. Tell us about the ants. I mean the talking ants at surah 27.18

Quran 27.18

At length, when they came to a valley of ants. One of the ants said; "Oh ye ants, get into your habitation, lest Solomon and his hosts crush you without knowing".

Hello dear friend and honorable teacher. I was encouraged to look at Surah Al-Ant. Because you have read and said a point about the Valley of the Ants, I think you would like to see other contents of this chapter. So please see:
First of all, let me say that this talk is not in the usual sense of the verses of this surah, and I have searched by examining and matching the science of the day with the Qur'an. 30 verses are about the story of Solomon - it tells the story of Moses, Saleh and Lot, and each one says something - Verse 88 speaks clearly about the motion of the earth and its spherical shape and does not just mention it. And says straight. Of course, he says with a very beautiful allegory: Do you think that the mountains are fixed and motionless? No, it is not. Mountains move like a cloud. That is, the earth moves rapidly in its orbit. The motion of the earth means that it is spinning in its orbit like a sphere -
Do you remember in Suleiman's story that I said in verse 44 that he refers to the technology of making Securite and laminated glass? Have this. - In 30 verses, Solomon mentions these issues and encourages us to seek to learn them:
Tells the characteristics of a powerful leader - Tells the characteristics of a powerful commander of the army - Tells how diplomatic relations between the two countries -
Tells how the domestic and foreign policy in the management and leadership of the country - Continuous pursuit of achieving the full model of a successful country in every way by the Supreme Leader - Tells the registration of diplomatic documents - Uses all capacities and talents Brilliant in the nation tells a country by the leader
I think that the translation of the relevant verses in this surah is enough so far.
Dear friend ; This is how I look at the Qur'an. Without any prejudice and seeking to learn with a positive attitude.
Thank you for remembering some Quranic verses.

 

[heydarian saeed]

... Read more:
Does the world in the intricate string-shaped sub-particle of particles that tempted more dimensions have enormous magnitude with its own laws beside our world? If so, who are the inhabitants of this parallel world?
One particularly astonishing question, in particular, is how can our conscious minds experience unique emotions of their kind, such as red or the smell of crispy, fried pork? By ignoring people who suffer from ocular disabilities, we all know the color red, but we have no means of conveying emotion, and there is nothing in physics to tell us what there is, based on it. Emotions of this type are called qualia. We think of them as unique features all over the world, but in reality they are just the result of our consciousness, and this is difficult to interpret.
Welcome to the world of quantum .... Just remember a few points! When you come down, do not talk about the boundaries of matter and antimatter and physics and metaphysics! (Because there is no border.) I told myself not to have trouble coming back! Pick up a piece of rock from the ground and hold it in your hand. Take a good look at it. What do you see? a matter ? Yes! If it has weight and mass and load, then the guess is correct. Does this stone you hold have a dimension? So it is biodegradable! to what? To primary minerals and secondary minerals!
Then to elements, molecules, and atoms (particles), we know that the particle also has a dimension, and this time it must be divided into electron, proton, and neutron particles! Democritus in Greece defined the atom (particle) in 370-460 BC, but did not mention anything from the elementary particles or the particles of our particles (electrons, protons and neutrons).
It was in 1960 that scientists announced that the rock in your hand, which you split up to the stage of elementary particles, formed from sub-particles that were called quarks. We now have two ladders for descending into the unseen or the invisible universe: the energy-acting sub-particles (bosons) and the material-acting particles (fermions). Are strong and electromagnetic and gravitational).

 

[heydarian saeed]

... If you are tired, you can put the stone down, but still do not take your eyes off it so that in the end you do not claim that I was blind! Bosons are available in two classes: non-quark and quark. Types of non-quark bosons include: Photons (quantum), which are electromagnetic and have no mass (at rest). A wave moves and a particle reaches its destination. In the definition of the Max Planck equation, light accepts the inverse ratio of wavelength and energy, that is, the higher the energy of a photon (quantum), the shorter its wavelength, so the hotter the iron, the longer the color spectrum of red with longer wavelengths. Low energy changes to orange, yellow, green and blue with short but energetic wavelengths.
Rays in nature from long to short wavelengths include: microwave, radio, television, satellite, light (infrared, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo, violet, and ultraviolet), x, and gamma. Microwaves, radios, televisions, satellites, and red light have no effect on the eye, so they are invisible and, because of their low-energy photons, are not harmful to the cells of living organisms (plants and animals).
Electromagnetic rays do not need air and water to propagate and travel as matter at a maximum speed of one particle (speed of light = 300,000 km / s). Mechanical waves (speed of sound = 335 m / s) require a climate interface. As explained earlier in the Big Bang discussion, photons are formed at billions of temperatures, have eternal life, and are the most abundant. (Each atom, one billion photons), of course, humans have also been able to produce large amounts of high-energy photons (radioactive photons, gamma rays) by splitting the nucleus of an atom (in an atomic explosion) and connecting the nucleus of an atom (hydrogen explosion) by converting matter into energy:
E = mc2

 

[Lothian]

... If you are tired, you can put the stone down, but still do not take your eyes off it so that in the end you do not claim that I was blind! Bosons are available in two classes: non-quark and quark. Types of non-quark bosons include: Photons (quantum), which are electromagnetic and have no mass (at rest). A wave moves and a particle reaches its destination. In the definition of the Max Planck equation, light accepts the inverse ratio of wavelength and energy, that is, the higher the energy of a photon (quantum), the shorter its wavelength, so the hotter the iron, the longer the color spectrum of red with longer wavelengths. Low energy changes to orange, yellow, green and blue with short but energetic wavelengths.
Rays in nature from long to short wavelengths include: microwave, radio, television, satellite, light (infrared, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo, violet, and ultraviolet), x, and gamma. Microwaves, radios, televisions, satellites, and red light have no effect on the eye, so they are invisible and, because of their low-energy photons, are not harmful to the cells of living organisms (plants and animals).
Electromagnetic rays do not need air and water to propagate and travel as matter at a maximum speed of one particle (speed of light = 300,000 km / s). Mechanical waves (speed of sound = 335 m / s) require a climate interface. As explained earlier in the Big Bang discussion, photons are formed at billions of temperatures, have eternal life, and are the most abundant. (Each atom, one billion photons), of course, humans have also been able to produce large amounts of high-energy photons (radioactive photons, gamma rays) by splitting the nucleus of an atom (in an atomic explosion) and connecting the nucleus of an atom (hydrogen explosion) by converting matter into energy:
E = mc2

Fine, but this is about the supernatural nature of the Koran. You claimed it is more accurate that modern science, remember.
Please provide references to where in the Koran we have explainations of

Bosons
Quarks
Photons
Electromagnetism
Plank equation
Radio
Television
Microwaves
Satellites
The speed of light
The speed of sound
Atoms
Gamma rays
Hydrogen
And E=MC²
If the Koran proves to give a better explanation of the above than a child's dictionary I will subscribe to your publication.

 

[heydarian saeed]

... When an electron absorbs or repels a photon, it becomes a positron. The collision of electrons and positrons causes them to disappear and photons to form. In other words, they are painters of black holes. Gluons, (rotation 1) with neutral charge, form the atomic nucleus adhesive. Gluons also form during nuclear reactions at billions of degrees Celsius, and finally the carrier bosons with which they are massable can be studied, w - w + at 81,000 million electron volts and z 0 at 93,800 million electron volts (Mev).
In short, torque is one and weak force is one of their characteristics. Quark bosons (two quarks called mesons): Again, they are a source of energy. These particulate matter-to-energy converters include: Pion, a powerful force that replaces common protons (Hideki Yukawa, 1935) and, of course, are recorded in cosmic rays (Cecil Frank Powell, 1947). Joints with different objects and positive, negative and neutral charges have been observed. Coon: A neutral meson with a shorter life and greater mass than a pion that is not present in the structure of ordinary matter. Leaving aside the energy sources, we come to the materials (fermions):
The particles that make up matter are called fermions (rotation 1.2) and have a circular motion and include quarks, leptons, and baryons (three quarks). Quarks As far as human science allows, it can be said that quarks are the cornerstone of the formation of matter and include: 1- Upper quark 2- Lower quark 3- Top quark 4- Rule quark 5- Strange quark and 6- Enchanting quark. Leptons: These fermions are light particles composed of the following microparticles:

 

[heydarian saeed]

Electrons: Stable light particles that orbit a negatively charged atom at a speed of 600 km / s and are present in all particles (their reaction causes chemical reactions.) The electron has an antiparticle called a positron (charge +1). . In other words, it was a mirror image conceived by Maurice Dirac in 1931 and discovered by Anderson in 1932. It should be noted that each particle has an antiparticle whose charge and motion are opposite to the parent particle and is an antimatter constructor. The structure of some black holes is known to be antimatter.
Myo-them (fat electrons up to 200 times), you - them and neutrinos (neutral - their mass is one tens of thousands of electrons and 10 billion neutrinos hit the sun every square centimeter of our blue globe every day! Finally, short-lived heavy-duty baryons, which are fermions, consist of 3 quarks and are formed immediately after protons (forming a nucleus with a charge of +1 and an equal number of electrons per particle at a speed of 15 km / s and 5 times the number. Neutrons in nature (and neutrons and other baryons (unstable from which other types emerge from their remnants along with the cosmic rays of sigma, omega, hyperon, and zi).
If you are looking for strings, the world of quarks is not responsive. You do not have the tools to measure and monitor down there. Whatever you discover will disappear as soon as you bring it up, and whatever you swear is there! They will not help you except reading crazy!
Well, now take the stone and show me the boundaries of matter and antimatter, physics and metaphysics, the world of the unseen and intuition, our world and the jinn, and in general the demarcation of parallel worlds in string theory. Has physics entered the world of metaphysics or vice versa? Where is the boundary between physics and metaphysics? What is matter? Where are the parallel worlds located? What are they and their world made up of when they see us? And why don't we see them?
Where exactly is the boundary between matter and antimatter? Why, when we weigh the universe with all its galaxies, stars, planets, and a wide range of other objects, do we see that dark matter and dark energy indicate the disappearance of an unimaginable mass? What is dark matter and dark energy? Why did modern physics not agree with Einstein's four dimensions? Where is the rest of the world's crime hidden? What is the theory of strings that is tracked and processed in the field of quantum physics?
Why did the great masters of physics abandon everything and use advanced mathematics to serve the multidimensional world? Are parallel worlds worth the risk? What are these nested and parallel worlds that the world spends billions of dollars and euros on?
The term metaphysics of presence was seriously introduced by deconstruction in the Western world of thought, and from there it emerged from the philosophy of art. He questioned the deconstructive interpretation of all the narratives in the history of Western philosophy, which in the linguistic and traditional form claimed to receive meaning incessantly, and accused them of denouncing these philosophical traditions as a kind of metaphysics or divine ontology.

 

[heydarian saeed]

Fine, but this is about the supernatural nature of the Koran. You claimed it is more accurate that modern science, remember.
Please provide references to where in the Koran we have explainations of

Bosons
Quarks
Photons
Electromagnetism
Plank equation
Radio
Television
Microwaves
Satellites
The speed of light
The speed of sound
Atoms
Gamma rays
Hydrogen
And E=MC²
If the Koran proves to give a better explanation of the above than a child's dictionary I will subscribe to your publication.

Hello dear friend. See my post 445 first :
" The Qur'an is not a scientific encyclopedia but some of the scientific material in the seventh century! Has pointed out. And its purpose was only to encourage humans to pursue the discovery of these sciences. And to progress and evolve. "
Therefore, the Qur'an does not say the details of science and the terms you use. It just says "hint" so that you and I can find out. And I will tell you the verse that all these scientific terms are in the post of our dear friend in my next posts.
And I told you the scientific material mentioned in the Qur'an to be an introduction to prove that "human knowledge and perception" is not of matter and nature, but is supernatural. And these are just tools of cognition and a means of science. And science itself is abstract from matter. And I proved it to you philosophically. Basically, explanations related to the proof of the supernatural are not possible through science, but in the field of philosophy. Please post
See above for proving the supernatural of science and perception through philosophy. I am currently saying this up-to-date scientific material to conclude from it that there is a supernatural, but it cannot be shown through matter because it is not of matter. Only supernatural "signs and symptoms" can be seen in the laboratory. Even though it is very difficult, the time to see the supernatural can be determined. I will say in the continuation of the article. Thank you very much for your patience and friends.

 

[heydarian saeed]

Let me tell you an interesting short story to relax!

 

[heydarian saeed]

The Holy Prophet Jesus (pbuh) was passing by with his companions when they saw a dead dog lying in a corner with a foul odor.
His companions said:
How stinking and disgusting is this dog ?!
Jesus said:
"See how white and beautiful the teeth of this dead dog are ?! It is important to look at us and look at everything with a positive attitude. And not just see the ugliness and defects"
Source: Book of Spring Volume 9 of the Majlis
Many thanks to all dear friends

 

[Pixel42]

If the purpose of including these 'hints' in the Qu'ran was to prompt scientific discovery then almost all the scientific discoveries you are getting so excited about must have been made by those it inspired, or at least by people who have read it. Evidence that is the case, please, heydarian.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

It is important to look at us and look at everything with a positive attitude. And not just see the ugliness and defects

Okay, I'll make an effort to be positive & find the shiny white teeth of this particular purifying dog carcass.. Your screed is complete & utter, unmitigated baloney, but I have to concede that there certainly is a lot of it.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

In it's current form.



This is mostly gibberish, but yes we do want to know. That's why we study it.


forever is meaningless because time didn't exist before the big bang event. Spacetime only started with the expansion from the singularity.


Nonsense. The Quran is a book of myths written by a warlord who wanted to write his own fanfiction bible, essentially.

It wasn't an explosion. The big bang was the event whereby the singularity expanded. That's all. No smoke. No explosion. No real bang of any kind. All of matter was condensed into a single point of infinitely small space and then it expanded and is continuing to expand.

But you're claiming that the Quran is a science textbook, essentially. Why shouldn't scorpion use a moment of obvious nonsense like talking ants to show just how poor the science is in this book?

Yes it does. Are you claiming that Adam and Eve is a literal story or not?

Absolutely none. Adam and Eve as a metaphor is a story of innocent people being punished by a god that set them up to fail. It's a vile story.

No. Just no. If you're trying to claim that the Quran contains real science and history it matters if you think Adam and Eve were real. If you claim that it's just allegory then fine, it's just a story to tell a terrible lesson, but if you claim it is a true story that's another matter.

Right, and there are no morals that can be gleaned from Adam and Eve.

Really now? So why are you still refusing to deal with my posts from earlier in the thread where I detail some of the horrific cruelties that the Quran teaches as good morality?

The Quran is a horrible book that teaches a supremacist, violent ideology. It isn't alone in that at all, but attempting to claim it is a moral book is laughable. You would actually need to deal with all of the moral problems in it rather than just pretending they don't exist.

Are you claiming that the Quran is a moral book, yes or no?

God isn't real though, at least not Allah. Allah is a self refuting logical absurdity, and based on the proclamations "he" makes in the Quran is thoroughly evil. Just like Yahweh is thoroughly evil if the bible it accepted.

Three more posts of mine you've completely ignored in order to continue to preach. Answer me please.