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heydarian said, at the beginning of a lengthy post he probably stole from elsewhere

." Also the answer to the question of the seven heavens in the Qur'an. Please read. Thanks:"

Heydarian, in case you had not noticed the seven heavens has been answered by Robin in post 436
 
Never mind about all the pseudo scientific baloney, you mention ants. Tell us about the ants. I mean the talking ants at surah 27.18

Quran 27.18

At length, when they came to a valley of ants. One of the ants said; "Oh ye ants, get into your habitation, lest Solomon and his hosts crush you without knowing".

Hi. Well, you read the Quran well. It is an honor. Yes, one of the surahs called Naml means ant. It has extremely important, instructive and instructive content. But my argument is the article of the supernatural, not this surah that you say. We are currently in philosophy and the quantum world in the article in question. Please be with us.
Thank you very much
 
Hi. The Big Bang is the beginning of the creation of the universe.
In it's current form.


I do not say this new science and professors and scientists say. Please do not stay in the past tense and come forward. Do we really want to know what the beginning of the universe was like?
This is mostly gibberish, but yes we do want to know. That's why we study it.

I do not think you, like radical thinkers, believe that "the universe has existed from the beginning and will continue forever."
forever is meaningless because time didn't exist before the big bang event. Spacetime only started with the expansion from the singularity.

The Quran is ahead of us all.
Nonsense. The Quran is a book of myths written by a warlord who wanted to write his own fanfiction bible, essentially.
If not a big bang then what? You tell us to be enlightened. Thank you very much
It wasn't an explosion. The big bang was the event whereby the singularity expanded. That's all. No smoke. No explosion. No real bang of any kind. All of matter was condensed into a single point of infinitely small space and then it expanded and is continuing to expand.
 
Hi. Well, you read the Quran well. It is an honor. Yes, one of the surahs called Naml means ant. It has extremely important, instructive and instructive content. But my argument is the article of the supernatural, not this surah that you say. We are currently in philosophy and the quantum world in the article in question. Please be with us.
Thank you very much

But you're claiming that the Quran is a science textbook, essentially. Why shouldn't scorpion use a moment of obvious nonsense like talking ants to show just how poor the science is in this book?
 
heydarian said, at the beginning of a lengthy post he probably stole from elsewhere

." Also the answer to the question of the seven heavens in the Qur'an. Please read. Thanks:"

Heydarian, in case you had not noticed the seven heavens has been answered by Robin in post 436

Read my posts in full, not incomplete. Rest assured that the answer to your question is in my post. Unless you look at it with prejudice. And choose what you want to stone and hit me. Of course, I will not be upset at all. hit. Stone. Pour soil. Fire me. I will respect you. And in no way will I give up on God Almighty, the All-Knowing, the All-Merciful, and the Book of the Qur'an. Good luck
 
Hi. Well, you read the Quran well. It is an honor. Yes, one of the surahs called Naml means ant. It has extremely important, instructive and instructive content. But my argument is the article of the supernatural, not this surah that you say. We are currently in philosophy and the quantum world in the article in question. Please be with us.
Thank you very much

Yes, lets not stray into how much nonsense there is in the Quran that you cannot explain or justify. You mentioned somewhere the first man was Adam.
Do you really believe in that bible myth? Then there is Jonah being swallowed by a whale, and Noah and his ark. These bible myths are also in the Quran.
I could go on , but we must stick to your attempts to fit scientific knowledge into this book of nonsense.
 
That's a good point actually Scorpion. Heydarian, do you believe Adam and Eve is a literal story?
 
Yes, lets not stray into how much nonsense there is in the Quran that you cannot explain or justify. You mentioned somewhere the first man was Adam.
Do you really believe in that bible myth? Then there is Jonah being swallowed by a whale, and Noah and his ark. These bible myths are also in the Quran.
I could go on , but we must stick to your attempts to fit scientific knowledge into this book of nonsense.

The choice is yours. Whether you adhere to it or not has no effect on the Qur'an. Our performance goes back to ourselves. Like a good or bad deed that results in whatever it is.
I do not read stories or legends in the Quran, dear friend. Rather, I examine the science of the day and see that it is mentioned in the Qur'an. And I follow the scientific findings of the Quran. It is really holy and pure for me. I do not know for you. It does not matter dear friend. Do not put too much pressure on yourself. And be comfortable. I enjoy arguing with you and other dear friends in this group and forum. And I learn something. The best thing is the freedom of thoughts and words of friends. Really enjoyable.
 
That's a good point actually Scorpion. Heydarian, do you believe Adam and Eve is a literal story?

Hi dear friend. It does not matter if it is a story or a myth. The important thing is what lessons do these two people have for me in the 21st century? Did you understand. What matters is how you and I look at the event, not the event itself. It does not matter what you look at, it matters what you look like. Is there a lesson for us? Is the content constructive and good? If none, then it is useless. This is how I look at the Qur'an, and so far it has taught me a new and interesting lesson every time I read it. I will sacrifice my life for him.
It's really enjoyable for me. I will not exchange it for anything in the world. It is truly a holy, pure and unique book. I am not a slave to it. I do not want God for fear of hell. I love him.
 
On my eyes. Sure. Please stay with us until the end of the article. Thank you very much

As it happens I am one of very few people on this forum who believes in the supernatural.

I have 50 years experience of attending spiritualist meetings, and investigating the beliefs of cults.

But up until the attack on the world trade center I had never read the Quran.
I started reading it with an open mind, but within the first hour I smelled a rat because I saw how full of bible references the Quran is. In not a lot more time I read the horrible verses of hellfire which I knew straight away were lies.
The Quran divides people into believers and unbelievers in Muhammad, and says the curse of God is on unbelievers and he will burn them forever.

I knew then it is an evil book of lies about God made up by the warlord Muhammad to get people to fight his wars for him.
 
Hi dear friend. It does not matter if it is a story or a myth.
Yes it does. Are you claiming that Adam and Eve is a literal story or not?
The important thing is what lessons do these two people have for me in the 21st century?
Absolutely none. Adam and Eve as a metaphor is a story of innocent people being punished by a god that set them up to fail. It's a vile story.
Did you understand. What matters is how you and I look at the event, not the event itself.
No. Just no. If you're trying to claim that the Quran contains real science and history it matters if you think Adam and Eve were real. If you claim that it's just allegory then fine, it's just a story to tell a terrible lesson, but if you claim it is a true story that's another matter.
It does not matter what you look at, it matters what you look like. Is there a lesson for us? Is the content constructive and good? If none, then it is useless.
Right, and there are no morals that can be gleaned from Adam and Eve.
This is how I look at the Qur'an, and so far it has taught me a new and interesting lesson every time I read it.
Really now? So why are you still refusing to deal with my posts from earlier in the thread where I detail some of the horrific cruelties that the Quran teaches as good morality?

The Quran is a horrible book that teaches a supremacist, violent ideology. It isn't alone in that at all, but attempting to claim it is a moral book is laughable. You would actually need to deal with all of the moral problems in it rather than just pretending they don't exist.

Are you claiming that the Quran is a moral book, yes or no?
I will sacrifice my life for him.
It's really enjoyable for me. I will not exchange it for anything in the world. It is truly a holy, pure and unique book. I am not a slave to it. I do not want God for fear of hell. I love him.
God isn't real though, at least not Allah. Allah is a self refuting logical absurdity, and based on the proclamations "he" makes in the Quran is thoroughly evil. Just like Yahweh is thoroughly evil if the bible it accepted.
 
As it happens I am one of very few people on this forum who believes in the supernatural.

I have 50 years experience of attending spiritualist meetings, and investigating the beliefs of cults.

But up until the attack on the world trade center I had never read the Quran.
I started reading it with an open mind, but within the first hour I smelled a rat because I saw how full of bible references the Quran is. In not a lot more time I read the horrible verses of hellfire which I knew straight away were lies.
The Quran divides people into believers and unbelievers in Muhammad, and says the curse of God is on unbelievers and he will burn them forever.

I knew then it is an evil book of lies about God made up by the warlord Muhammad to get people to fight his wars for him.
In that though, it's absolutely no different from the Bible. The bible has even more horrific nonsense in it than the Quran, but they both contain horrific nonsense.

If there is a god out there, and I see no reason to believe there is, it can't be the god of the bible or the Quran. They're utterly self refuting.

Even if that were not the case though, I could not worship a being who claims to be utterly pure and yet orders and conducts genocides on a regular basis, condones slavery, orders barbaric punishments for minor offences (and even some things that no right thinking person should consider an offence at all) and routinely condemns those who don't believe to eternal punishment. Yahweh and Allah, as presented in the books that supposedly speak for them, are monsters.
 
Hi dear friend. The answer below is about estimating the lifespan of the universe so far. Also the answer to the question of the seven heavens in the Qur'an. Please read. Thanks:
In cosmology, physics refers to the "life of the universe" as the time elapsed since the BIG BANG. That is, it is assumed that the beginning of the universe (creation) coincided with the BIG BANG phenomenon.
The best estimate that physicists have ever made of the life of the universe is 13.75 billion years (with an error of about 120 million years). This is the last estimate of the lifespan of the universe. And according to the data and information obtained from the WMAP spacecraft. WMAP stands for Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP).(Wickelson Microwave Anisotropy Probe)
The spacecraft was sent into space by NASA to study and measure the temperature of cosmic background radiation (fossil radiation left over from the Big Bang).
The project is led by Charles L. Bennett of Johns Hopkins University.This 13.75 billion years (with an error of about 120 million years) is the last estimate for the life of the universe. This number was announced in 2010.
If we look at the history of scientists estimating the life of the universe, we come across some interesting numbers.
One theory was called the Steady State Theory. The "steady state theory" was not believed by the physicists and cosmologists at the time of the Big Bang and Big Bang models. Due to the expansion of the universe, new matter was created in the form of hydrogen in the space between them. This newly created hydrogen eventually creates new galaxies, thus keeping the observed density of galaxies constant. The universe has neither a beginning nor an end, and will remain stable, as the name implies. Because new matter is always being created, it is also called Continuous Creation Theory. After the publication of Einstein's theory of general relativity in 1915, a man named Georges Edward Lumetre published a book in 1933. In this book, Lumeter used Einstein's theory to show that the universe must have started with a big bang. The presentation of the big bang theory comes to Mr. Lumetre for the first time. He used Einstein's theory of relativity and showed that according to this theory, the universe could not remain fixed and unchanged. It is very interesting and funny. Einstein did not accept the idea presented by him after hearing Lumetre's comments, but he knew that his arguments were also correct. On the other hand, he did not want to accept the idea of ​​the big bang. He wanted to get rid of it. Anyway, Einstein set to work and to solve this problem he introduced something new in his theory so that both his theory and the steady state theory would still be correct. He introduced his theory and formulas and called the cosmological constant COSMOLOGICAL CONSTANT.
The first astronomical observations that showed the existence of the Big Bang, which practically showed that the universe and the universe are still growing and expanding, were presented by Edwin Hubble.
He examined the light coming from different galaxies. He was surprised to find that most of the galaxies that reach us are drawn to the red spectrum.
what does it mean?
I explain. Suppose an ambulance approaches you. When it approaches you, you hear the sound of the siren at a higher frequency, and when it moves away from you, you hear the sound of the alarm at a lower frequency.
Familiar is not it? Yes, this is the Doppler theorem that we have been taught in science textbooks at school. Put the galaxy instead of the ambulance. Put the galaxy light instead of the ambulance. Yes, Hubble observed that the light of the galaxies is drawn towards the red spectrum. Its frequency has decreased. It means that it is moving away from us. Why ?
Why should most of the galaxies we see be moving away from us?
Suppose the universe is a cake. A raisin cake. Think of each galaxy as a galaxy.
When you put the cake in the oven, the cake swells and grows and swells. In this case, all the raisins are moving away from each other.
Exactly what is seen in the universe. Exactly what Edwin Hubble observed. It turned out that Einstein was wrong and that the universe was growing and inflating.
The universe is expanding. If this movie is the other way around, it means that all these curds were gathered in one place one day. At the moment of the initial explosion.Hubble did not have a good estimate of this time. His error in measuring the lifespan of the universe was very large. In 2010, WMAP introduced 13.75 billion years of experimental evidence (with an error of about 120 million years).
A new theory about the origin of the universe by
Two British scientists, Stephen Hawking and Neil Torok, claimed in 1998 that "the universe was no more than a pea before the Big Bang 12 billion years ago." Eight years later, in 2006, a joint team of American and British scientists proposed a new theory of the evolution of the universe. The theory is that the universe is likely to go through a cycle of which Big Bangs are only a part, and that it also includes Big Crunches. This theory challenges the conventional view of the universe, which is based on observations dating back 12 to 14 billion years. This theory is also called the Cyclic Model.
The theory is that the universe is likely to go through a cycle of which Big Bangs are a part and also includes Big Crunches. This theory challenges the conventional view of the universe, which is based on observations dating back 12 to 14 billion years.And Cyclic Model Theory
He says the universe is probably going through a cycle of which Big Bangs are just a part, and it also includes Big Crunches. This theory challenges the conventional view of the universe, which is based on observations dating back 12 to 14 billion years. A new idea reflected in the journal Science may explain why the universe is expanding rapidly. Professor Paul Stein Hart of Princeton University in New Jersey, who co-founded the theory, said:The new idea is based on previous studies by the same group of researchers and calls into question the current model of the universe. In the 1920s, when Einstein was developing the theory of general relativity, he introduced a cosmic constant to explain his idea of ​​a static world. Einstein's equations predicted that the universe would collapse under the pressure of gravity, while observations made it clear that the universe was not shrinking. Gravity resists.
This concept was discarded after observations showed that the universe was expanding, leading Einstein to describe the cosmic constant as the biggest mistake of his career. In 1998, a new form of cosmic constant emerged, and it was then that it became clear that the expansion of the universe was actually accelerating.
Professor Neil Torok of the University of Cambridge said:
"When the magnitude of this cosmic constant was calculated, it turned out to be much smaller than expected. Why this constant is so small has become one of the biggest questions in physics. "Right now, the only explanation for that is that maybe this is how the world works." This theory leaves many questions unanswered, but now Professors Steinhart and Torok have proposed a new theory to explain why the cosmological constant is small. They say that time actually began before the Big Bang, that is, before that there was another world. It also means that the present world is much older than it is today. Make a call.
The two worlds are eventually pulled together by the force of gravity and collide. This means that what is happening now will help create another world in the future.

Are we supposed to read all that which you have pasted in, really. I glanced through it, and can find nothing about the Quran,
 
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