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Heydarian, I see you are using a translation by Uthman Taha. So far I have found your translations and their meaning differ significantly from the translations I have access to.
I suspect your translation is not accurate, and may even falsify the Arabic meaning to make it more believable. There is another translation that does this by Rashad Khalifa and it was rejected by mainstream Muslims. I will download your translation to make comparisons, to see how far from accuracy it is.
 
Hi. very well. You convinced him that there is no god and that Muhammad is not his prophet. Were you able to unite him? And prove to him that he is not God and that Muhammad is not his prophet. Were you able to? Tell me too.


No. I am not trying to take religion away from people. It was actually two Muslims that visited an atheist forum, and tried to convince us that their god exists. When encountering resistance they just left. Nobody on either side changed opinion.

It is quite common for religious believers to go to a forum with atheists or skeptics in order to convert the infidels, just like you do. It is also quite common for religious believers to be completely surprised when they find that there are valid counter-arguments against their arguments. And they invariably disappear without staying to argue their case.

You represent another kind that we unfortunately also see: the believer who completely ignores the counter-arguments, and just carries on as if there was no counter-argument.
 
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7. Existence of life in space:
After the discovery of the earliest traces of life on one of the meteorites that landed from space to Earth, the scientist's space travels began to explore space creatures. They later discovered that there was some water on Mars and other planets, and their overall conclusion was that life probably existed there.It can almost be said that astronomers agree that life could exist on other planets.
This fact was discovered in the 21st century, .

I have never heard of a meteorite having traces of life on it. I could be wrong but others on this forum will doubtlessly know. As for there being life on other planets this is not as you say a 'fact' because it has never been proved.

I actually believe there probably are many inhabited planets, But as I say it is not proved, and is conjecture.
Surah Shura you quote is (42.29)
 
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I have never heard of a meteorite having traces of life on it. I could be wrong but others on this forum will doubtlessly know. As for there being life on other planets this is not as you say a 'fact' because it has never been proved.

I actually believe there probably are many inhabited planets, But as I say it is not proved, and is conjecture.
Surah Shura you quote is (42.29)

Some traces have been found in meteorites that may indicate the presence of very simple life, but nothing conclusive as other explanations may fit better. Panspermia is a valid hypothesis but remains unproven.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panspermia#Case_studies
 
It is strange that in the Qur'an the word "space" is not used at all, but the sky is mentioned with the word "building: building". Consider this verse as an example:In (Surah Al-Baqarah. Verse 22)
Translation: He (God) Who made the earth for you a (broad) carpet and the sky a building (raised).
In the other verse, exactly the same truth is mentioned. And in (Surah Shams, verse 5)
Translation: And I swear by the sky and the one who built the sky.
All these verses show that the Qur'an is very scientifically accurate and that is the reason for the legitimacy of this book...

Your Quote of surah Al Baqarah 2.22 is not like most other translations I have.
Yusuf Ali says, at 2.22
Who has made the earth your couch and the heavens your canopy

Pickthall says at 2.22
Who has appointed the earth as a resting place for you and the sky a canopy.

Neither verse uses the word building, and in any case the sky is not a building. nor is it a canopy. It is obvious Muhammad thought the sky was some kind of structure, and it says the stars are lamps. It also says the stars are missiles to throw at devils. Quran 67.5
 
9. Cosmic smoke
For a long time, scientists thought that there was space dust in the universe, but recently they discovered that what they thought was dust was "cosmic smoke," which is similar to the smoke we know. There are huge amounts of this smoke in the cosmos, which is caused by the explosions of the beginning of creation. Experiments show that the particles of this smoke do not resemble dust particles. The formation of this smoke dates back to billions of years ago at the beginning of the creation of the world.Interestingly, the Qur'an says this about the beginning of the creation of the universe. Translation:
(Surah Fussilat, verse 11)
Translation: He then created the sky while it was in the form of smoke.

The quoted verse Surah Fussilat is number (41.11) I do not know if there is smoke in the universe so cannot comment. Anyone have any info on this?
 
I'd say it's better to find out what the universe is really like, even if the truth is less consoling that I would wish, than to twist the meaning of verses in an ancient book (containing many unpleasant and divisive passages) so that they appear to suggest that some recently discovered scientific facts were known to its authors, even though they very obviously were not.

Apart from which, slavish devotion to this awful book clearly does not result in "a beautiful world for a safe life". Not for educated, independent women like me, anyway.

Hello dear friend of the association. I am very glad that you introduced yourself. Your wishes and views are admirable. And all free human beings agree with this theory. I have no prejudice against the ancient book you mentioned, although it is the Bible of our religion and I love it. Well, I say to create a beautiful world (which is really beautiful), let's see if this world was created by chance? And matter alone has the ability to build this great world?
If it really is, prove it to everyone. And if not, we must first understand who is building the great world? And what is its purpose? Why should man, who is the most complex and superior being in this world, be born? What is his job? What is its purpose? How should it be? My point is to find out the reasons. Realize the goal. And of course in a completely logical and scientific way. Not just in the form of false claims and words without evidence. What should we do now? Where to start? What tools and equipment can be used to answer these questions? According to what mechanism do we reach the cause and the goal? When we reach the cause and the goal, what is our plan to create a beautiful world in which human society can live together without worries and as "equal and equal"?
I am looking for these issues. I am looking for this comprehensive and healthy plan for human society and the beautiful world. That the culture is excellent, without discrimination and free from any thought of slavery.
Thank you for listening to me. And post. Thanks again.
 
Hello dear friend of the association. I am very glad that you introduced yourself. Your wishes and views are admirable. And all free human beings agree with this theory. I have no prejudice against the ancient book you mentioned, although it is the Bible of our religion and I love it. Well, I say to create a beautiful world (which is really beautiful), let's see if this world was created by chance? And matter alone has the ability to build this great world?
If it really is, prove it to everyone. And if not, we must first understand who is building the great world? And what is its purpose? Why should man, who is the most complex and superior being in this world, be born? What is his job? What is its purpose? How should it be?


A creationist as well, then. How well does that agree with the findings of science?

My point is to find out the reasons. Realize the goal. And of course in a completely logical and scientific way. Not just in the form of false claims and words without evidence.


So far, you are failing dismally.
 
Al Naba is verse (78.12)

Dear Heydarian , What are the seven heavens?

Hello dear friend of the association. The meaning of the verse; It refers to the six events of the Big Bang. After the first sky, the neutron star reached the Big Bang stage and the next sky came into being. And this process is repeated six times. As you know, the universe was created by the greatness of creation and the heavens in six periods of the Big Bang, each about 18 billion light-years away. Seven Skies is the result of six Big Bangs. Which is "mentioned" in this verse.
And now we are in heaven or the seventh period. And almost 14 billion light-years have passed since then. And almost 4 billion light years later (according to human science) the seventh Big Bang event will occur and the eighth sky, which is the world and the world of the Hereafter (Resurrection), will be created. Of course, this talk is taken from astronomical and up-to-date calculations as well as Quranic references. But no one knows the exact story. And maybe it's a hypothesis.
And now we are in heaven or the seventh period. And almost 14 billion light-years have passed since then. And almost 4 billion light years later (according to human science) the seventh Big Bang event will occur and the eighth sky, which is the world and the world of the Hereafter (Resurrection), will be created. And that he says we built the seven heavens above you, that is, above you, is because we humans assume that the sky is above us, but in reality this is not the case, but we and the planet Earth are floating in the sky. And our relationship with the sky is transverse, not longitudinal. And these conversations are taken from astronomical and up-to-date calculations as well as Quranic references. But no one knows the exact story. And maybe it's a hypothesis.
Thank you for your attention and for the post you leave.
 
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"Abstraction" and "immateriality of the soul" are obvious principles for experts. In a way that denying it requires proving it. Because how can the material properties and characteristics of brain cells discuss the origin and type of their existence and give a reason to prove or disprove it? In other words, those who do not believe in the celibacy of the human soul are asked, "Is this a feature of your brain cells that argues for the negation of celibacy?"Do these arguments and denials, mechanical properties, arise from brain cells algebraically according to the law of determinism? Therefore, the arguments given to prove the existence or abstraction of the soul are to punish and awaken the unconscious conscience. Because of the obvious dissimilarity of sensual states with other material characteristics, the deniers of celibacy have to resort to justifications that are not accepted by human intellect.
Proponents of the materiality of the soul who research the soul and the spirit The ultimate interpretation they offer of the soul is a material interpretation of it. In the opinion of these people, the existence of the abstraction of the soul is not provable. In fact, this group believes that in the human realm, there is nothing but the body and material organs! The best interpretation of the soul is that the soul is a feature of one of the parts and organs of the body, the brain. Of course, those who consider the abstraction of the soul unacceptable in explaining and interpreting the truth of the soul, offered different views, and here we refer to only one of those theories, the theory of "this" which is related to the question:
The theory of "similarity" is a theory in the philosophy of mind according to which the states and processes of the mind are the same as the states and processes of the brain. According to the theory of identity, for example, when you see something or experience pain, it is not that these states are something beyond the activities of the brain and are only associated with those activities, but that these mental states are exactly the same states of the brain. .
According to this theory, any kind of mental state is identical with a kind of physical state, or more precisely, brain state. For example, pain is always the same as shooting a nerve. Of course, the concept of state of mind is different from the concept of state of mind, but the two are one thing outside. This theory is also referred to as "physicalism".
Many Western thinkers (such as Thomas Hobbes, Pierre Gassandi, GGCsmart, and John Searle) consider the theory of identity to be the best interpretation of the soul. The theory of similarity faces many problems and challenges and can be debated and criticized from different angles. Because this theory claims that sensual states are the same as physical properties! That is, the feeling of pain is the same as a nervous breakdown. Consciousness is the change of cells and neurons. But, as we have mentioned in the discussion of the reason for the abstraction of the soul, science is one of the basic properties of the soul which bears no resemblance to the material properties and cannot be considered as material properties.
The claim that the sensation of pain is, for example, the same as a nervous breakdown is a claim that has not yet been explained by any acceptable scientific statement. According to functionalists; Why should it be assumed that every organism must be made of the same chemicals that we are made to have a state that can be accurately identified as a state of pain? One of the problems of the theory of inequality is the confusion of scientific and philosophical issues. To explain that; When mental states such as consciousness or pain occur, there is no doubt that changes occur in the body's physique. Two questions arise here; First, what is the nature and form of consciousness and pain?
The second question is what is the function of the brain and what processes take place in the brain during perception? Neurologists do not answer the question, what is the nature of consciousness and pain? Rather, their job is to explain how the brain works and to describe the processes that take place during perception. Similarly in the field of biophysics, the question "What is life?" Is.
Non-experts do not understand the difference between these two questions and by confusing these two questions, they make a philosophical mistake and think that empirical science has found the answer to the first question. In the words of John Hick: We all - despite all our differences - take it for granted that for every change that occurs in consciousness, there is a corresponding change in a part of the brain. But the danger that has permeated most writings is that we consider "solidarity" to be "identical." Although there is ample evidence for mind-brain correlation,
As long as we imagine the accumulation or breadth of this evidence to prove this identity of mind and brain, we have made a blunder. As Steven Rose says, it is clear that; "The existence of solidarity is not the reason for the existence of a cause."
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Well, I say to create a beautiful world (which is really beautiful), let's see if this world was created by chance? And matter alone has the ability to build this great world?
Yes, it's possible that the universe could exist without having been created by a separate entity. There are several theories as to how that could be the case.

If you propose that a separate entity created it, you then have to explain how that separate entity came into existence, so you are no further forward. In fact you're worse off, because you have just replaced the question "where did the universe come from?" with the even more difficult question "where did God come from?"

If your answer to that is "God has always existed" then the idea of something existing without being created is clearly acceptable to you, in which case there's no need to invoke a god at all, as the something could just as easily be the universe.

In summary, proposing the existence of god(s) does not provide any definitive answers, it just adds unnecessary further questions.

If it really is, prove it to everyone.
No, that's not how it works. The burden of proof is on the one who proposes the existence of something (in this case God) for which there is no need or evidence.
 
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Your Quote of surah Al Baqarah 2.22 is not like most other translations I have.
Yusuf Ali says, at 2.22
Who has made the earth your couch and the heavens your canopy

Pickthall says at 2.22
Who has appointed the earth as a resting place for you and the sky a canopy.

Neither verse uses the word building, and in any case the sky is not a building. nor is it a canopy. It is obvious Muhammad thought the sky was some kind of structure, and it says the stars are lamps. It also says the stars are missiles to throw at devils. Quran 67.5
No dear friend. This is a strange meaning you put in the post. Muhammad did not say anything about himself. There was only one messenger (the prophet; that is, one who brings a message to others). He is not literate at all to know what is going on in the universe? All he said were messages inspired by God. Muhammad has no other matter. A human being like other human beings.
And ... Muhammad and others imagined the star to be just lights that seem to be stuck on the roof of the sky! And they had no other idea. But later God inspired Muhammad with the Qur'an that; These that are in the sky are not lights attached to it but stars. And move in a specific orbit in the sky and flow. And for demons, he does not use the word star, but says meteorite! (Surah As-Saaffat, verses 6 and 10)
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The quoted verse Surah Fussilat is number (41.11) I do not know if there is smoke in the universe so cannot comment. Anyone have any info on this?

Cosmic dust contains particles of all sizes, most of which are as small, or even smaller, than those that make up smoke. It's still called cosmic dust, however, not cosmic smoke. And once again, no impartial observer would read that verse and think it was referring to cosmic dust.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_dust
 
Yes, it's possible that the universe could exist without having been created by a separate entity. There are several theories as to how that could be the case.

If you propose that a separate entity created it, you then have to explain how that separate entity came into existence, so you are no further forward. In fact you're worse off, because you have just replaced the question "where did the universe come from?" with the even more difficult question "where did God come from?"

If your answer to that is "God has always existed" then the idea of something existing without being created is clearly acceptable to you, in which case there's no need to invoke a god at all, as the something could just as easily be the universe.

In summary, proposing the existence of god(s) does not provide any definitive answers, it just adds unnecessary further questions.
I have studied other theories about how the universe was created. None of them answer definitively. And in response to their doubts and ambiguities, there are many problems. This is a philosophical discussion, madam, not a scientific discussion. pay attention ; Science can not find answers to these questions. Only philosophy can search and answer. That is, the answer to these questions is not in the field of science but in the field of philosophy. And philosophy has answered. I do not insist on this and I do not want to express different philosophical ways. And basically I can not and the relevant experts must answer. I mean philosophers.



No, that's not how it works. The burden of proof is on the one who proposes the existence of something (in this case God) for which there is no need or evidence.

And the most comprehensive answer is given by Islamic philosophy based on the Qur'an. I recommend you. Of course, read the book of Islamic philosophers in two groups: philosophy of nature and existential philosophy, if you wish. Abu Ali Sina, the great master of the philosophy of nature, and Mulla Sadra, the great master of the philosophy of existence. He has written several books in this field.
If you wish, choose and read the relevant book from these professors of Islamic philosophy to find a comprehensive answer. Of course, materialist philosophers have also written and explained books on various ideas in this field. Like Max Weber - Nietzsche - Freud and ...
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