Criminal Behavior Against US Police Officers

[lobosrul5]

More important IMO to the raw fact that a person shot a cop or a cop shot a person, is what happens afterwards.

People who commit acts of violence against police officers, if they're not killed immediately, are arrested as soon as possible, denied bail, and without exception go to prison for a very long time. The same cannot be said of police officers who kill innocent people.

I came here to say just that. If only the police would take assaults against themselves seriously and investigate and arrest! Ohh wait, they already do that. Hell they shoot "cop killers" on site. They even sometimes shoot Asian women who drive a truck thats vaguely similar to their African America male suspect. But apparently thats acceptable (to them) because their job is dangerous.

In other words, they are great at investigating acts committed against them, not so much on acts that they commit. Which honestly is just human nature.

 

[Bogative]

Seriously though, can't we have just 1 "nut hugging cops" thread. I feel the same way about the while black threads. Do we really need to do this every few weeks?

That will not be a problem any longer, this I promise.


An Indianapolis Police Officer was shot in the leg while responding to a domestic disturbance call.

After first attempting contact at the apartment, the officer walked around the perimeter of the building where he was then shot. His partner was able to drag him to cover.

The suspect also shot an 11-year-old girl and a 41-year-old woman, they are both in critical condition.

I'm just thankful a convenience store clerk didn't respond to the call, somebody may have been hurt.

 

[mgidm86]

posted by SuburbanTurkey
Have you considered that the cops was simply too lazy to do their job? None of the things you listed would have any impact on a cop's ability to arrest someone for robbery.

No? What? Lazy?

Oh, are minority people not included in "people"? Odd flex, but ok.



The article you linked to was proof that the governor recognizes organized smash and grabs are a problem and is making changes to enforce it.

Why was Prop 47 passed? From what I understand it's because the prison system in California was coming apart because of the sheer amount of people being sent to prison. It was ranked highest in the US, or second to Texas. I've always been confused by the prop 47 thing too, because even with the change, all prop 47 did was change it from a felony to a misdemeanor. It's about the same as Texas, for instance:



California shoplifting is:



So, the question is, why isn't Texas seeing the same thing as what's being implied in California? Why aren't people just snagging stuff in Texas and riding out? Or are they? The punishment in Texas is lower than California.



Sorry to hear that. Living in big cities has a higher chance of running into crime, but as mentioned before, it sounds like she got a terrible cop. I've heard of protest cops. Where to protest a law they just don't enforce it to make it look like more damage is being done. Could it be a situation like that?

Changed to a misdemeanor - yes that is the problem. It was a stupid move. But that's just one law in one city. I'm talking about the bigger picture of lowering crime severity for political reasons.

The DA refused to press charges even though one criminal was caught on the scene (the one the cop let go, female cop no less), one who was kicking her in the head until she was unconscious. A friend driving by in an Uber saw her and stopped to help. Another girl. They had left the same club. Gay club if that matters. It may have, though she herself isn't gay.

It says right in both articles that a primary reason these laws were changed was because of "overrepresentation of minorities". Why would a cop let someone go who was just seen kicking someone unconscious?

I have an anecdote where a SF cop told me that the reason I stated is the reason why no charges were filed. Looking bad for the city. DA refused to press charges.

Kinda adds up doesn't it? Law is passed to lessen penalties to minorities, less penalties are given. Cop even admits it.

DA admits it by not pressing assault and battery and robbery charges on a suspect who was caught in the act. My friend was unconscious in a parking lot, lost everything she was carrying, and the city did nothing.

This was 3 years ago and it still gets my blood boiling just thinking about it.

 

[Bogative]

A San Antonio, Texas officer was shot twice after responding to a call of a man brandishing a weapon.

The 40-year-old man was "known to law enforcement" and he fled on a bicycle after seeing the officer arrive. The dude was cruising around on a bicycle at 40 years old, meaning he was poor. He was also known to law enforcement, meaning he was the victim of systemic police harassment against the poor. The officer kind of deserved it.


A Hardy, Arkansas deputy was responding to a runaway juvenile call when the child was located and it was determined he was not a runaway. The deputy loaded the child's bicycle into the trunk of his patrol car and placed the child in the backseat to transport him home.

On the way to the juvenile's home, the deputy stopped at a convenience store and bought the kid some ice cream. The act of kindness was returned by the juvenile pulling a pistol out of his belt line and shooting the deputy in the arm.

Thank goodness the deputy didn't display paranoia and over policing of youth by patting him down before placing him in the patrol car.

Also, Dylan roof was treated to Burger King.

 

[Bogative]

An Aurora, Illinois officer was physically attacked by three people after stopping a car for running a stop sign.

The officer attempted two arrests but was punched and knocked to the ground where he was choked until he could no longer breathe.

All three vehicle occupants have now been charged with attempted first-degree murder. Looks like that "I can't breathe" justice goes both ways.

 

[Bogative]

A Kalamazoo Deputy is in critical condition after being shot and crashing his patrol car during a high-speed chase.

The deputy attempted to question a man, who was a suspect in an earlier high-speed chase, in a convenience store parking lot when the suspect pulled a handgun and pointed it at deputies before driving off.

Thank goodness the deputies didn't approach the man with their hands already on their guns, the suspect may have been hurt. The convenience store clerk should receive some kind of medal for his bravery, also.

 

[Bogative]

A Kalamazoo Deputy is in critical condition after being shot and crashing his patrol car during a high-speed chase.

The deputy attempted to question a man, who was a suspect in an earlier high-speed chase, in a convenience store parking lot when the suspect pulled a handgun and pointed it at deputies before driving off.

Thank goodness the deputies didn't approach the man with their hands already on their guns, the suspect may have been hurt. The convenience store clerk should receive some kind of medal for his bravery, also.

The deputy has died. No suspect information is available yet so I'm unsure whether or not to blame this entire incident on systemic racism.

 

[Bogative]

A Modesto, California officer was shot while serving a search warrant at the home of a man who was arrested for leading police on a high-speed chase.

Maybe we should decriminalize evading police to avoid these incidents?

 

[dudalb]

Give it up, guy. We all know what you are up to.
Police are holy and flawless creatures, who should be blindly suported in whatever they do, since anything they do is automatically jutified since it is done to preserve order, which means keeping the N. Words and others in their place.

 

[plague311]

No? What? Lazy?

Changed to a misdemeanor - yes that is the problem. It was a stupid move. But that's just one law in one city. I'm talking about the bigger picture of lowering crime severity for political reasons.

The DA refused to press charges even though one criminal was caught on the scene (the one the cop let go, female cop no less), one who was kicking her in the head until she was unconscious. A friend driving by in an Uber saw her and stopped to help. Another girl. They had left the same club. Gay club if that matters. It may have, though she herself isn't gay.

It says right in both articles that a primary reason these laws were changed was because of "overrepresentation of minorities". Why would a cop let someone go who was just seen kicking someone unconscious?

I have an anecdote where a SF cop told me that the reason I stated is the reason why no charges were filed. Looking bad for the city. DA refused to press charges.

Kinda adds up doesn't it? Law is passed to lessen penalties to minorities, less penalties are given. Cop even admits it.

DA admits it by not pressing assault and battery and robbery charges on a suspect who was caught in the act. My friend was unconscious in a parking lot, lost everything she was carrying, and the city did nothing.

This was 3 years ago and it still gets my blood boiling just thinking about it.

Yes, all this anecdotal evidence of yours seems to make connections for you, and certainly nothing I'm going to say, or evidence I show, is going to change it. Your mind is completely and entirely made up.

It sounds like you have terrible cops. As I showed you, Texas is more lenient than your articles, yet they don't have this same issue. Why do you think that is?

 

[ponderingturtle]

It says right in both articles that a primary reason these laws were changed was because of "overrepresentation of minorities". Why would a cop let someone go who was just seen kicking someone unconscious?

Most frequently it seems to be because the person doing the kicking is a cop and no one likes a rat.

 

[Bogative]

Body cam video from two Hispanic Houston police officers captured a "routine" domestic violence call made by a Hispanic woman.

It takes less than two minutes from the officers knocking on the door to five shots fired.

Cops enter the apartment, the victim identifies the suspect, the suspect starts resisting before a second Latino man joins in on the resisting.

The original suspect (an unarmed victim of police brutality) got his hands on one of the officers guns and fired a shot before being shot by the other officer.


Full video:

 

[Belz...]

"If I post enough stories of police in tough situations, maybe they'll stop complaining about police brutality."

No, see the two have nothing to do with one another.

 

[Suddenly]

"If I post enough stories of police in tough situations, maybe they'll stop complaining about police brutality."

No, see the two have nothing to do with one another.

If cops were roofers they'd be lobbying to have the laws of gravity repealed and refusing to do their jobs unless they could knock down houses to get at the shingles without fear of falling.

Yeah, the job is dangerous. That's the point. You don't get to be considered heroic, brave, and essential to public safety while at the same time wanting a pass for violent acts against innocent people because you are scared.

 

[Thermal]

If cops were roofers they'd be lobbying to have the laws of gravity repealed and refusing to do their jobs unless they could knock down houses to get at the shingles without fear of falling.

Yeah, the job is dangerous. That's the point. You don't get to be considered heroic, brave, and essential to public safety while at the same time wanting a pass for violent acts against innocent people because you are scared.

Ok, but shingles don't shoot you in the face without warning due to no fault of your own. A roofer falls and gets hurt/killed almost 100% of the time due to his own carelessness and/or hubris.*

* source: am contractor who has also installed linear miles of shingles

 

[Suddenly]

Ok, but shingles don't shoot you in the face without warning due to no fault of your own. A roofer falls and gets hurt/killed almost 100% of the time due to his own carelessness and/or hubris.*

* source: am contractor who has also installed linear miles of shingles

It isn't a relevant distinction.

The dangers inherent to being a cop are known and include the prospect of a violent encounter. That some third party is involved doesn't matter. You can blame an individual person for a violent act, but the idea that violent acts will happen isn't of a moral dimension. It happens.

Also, part of the point is how rare these things are. Cops probably (pure conjecture) overall cause themselves more harm via anxiety from vastly overestimating these dangers than they suffer from the dangers themselves. I mean, having an early heart attack or whatever partially from severe long term anxiety is less dramatic and measurable than being shot, but neither is good for life expectancy.

The whole fear of drug OD from touching fentanyl is a great example that encapsulates this. You get stories and videos of cops falling down and rushed to hospitals from coming into contact with the stuff. In reality, this is medically impossible. They are having panic attacks from believing their own BS.

 

[Thermal]

It isn't a relevant distinction.

The dangers inherent to being a cop are known and include the prospect of a violent encounter. That some third party is involved doesn't matter. You can blame an individual person for a violent act, but the idea that violent acts will happen isn't of a moral dimension. It happens.

Also, part of the point is how rare these things are. Cops probably (pure conjecture) overall cause themselves more harm via anxiety from vastly overestimating these dangers than they suffer from the dangers themselves. I mean, having an early heart attack or whatever partially from severe long term anxiety is less dramatic and measurable than being shot, but neither is good for life expectancy.

The whole fear of drug OD from touching fentanyl is a great example that encapsulates this. You get stories and videos of cops falling down and rushed to hospitals from coming into contact with the stuff. In reality, this is medically impossible. They are having panic attacks from believing their own BS.

What we are missing here is how much danger and violence they actually face, versus how many casualties. Using the casualty figure is inherently dishonest. A roofer, to continue the previous example, might cope with three near-falls an hour, stopped only by his swift thinking or reactions. That's what determines how hazardous his job inherently is, not how many times he drops the ball and falls.

Cops I know have stepped into fights and dealt with suspects violently resisting arrest, sometimes armed. But if the cop is not actually hurt, posters here start with the "it's more dangerous to be the pizza guy" thing. No it's not. Pizza guy can't effectively mitigate a violent encounter. Cops do so regularly.

 

[plague311]

Cops I know have stepped into fights and dealt with suspects violently resisting arrest, sometimes armed. But if the cop is not actually hurt, posters here start with the "it's more dangerous to be the pizza guy" thing. No it's not. Pizza guy can't effectively mitigate a violent encounter. Cops do so regularly.

They're trained, and armed through the teeth, to handle those very exact situations. It's what they do. It's the job description. It shouldn't somehow be a shock that they then go out and do those things.

 

[Thermal]

They're trained, and armed through the teeth, to handle those very exact situations. It's what they do. It's the job description. It shouldn't somehow be a shock that they then go out and do those things.

Agreed. Its the "hurr durr, it's more dangerous to be a pizza guy" argument I am arguing against. Its not. There may be more pizza guys shot or robbed, but if cops weren't able to be proactive, if bet there would be a deluge of cop casualties to make pizza guy feel like a whiner.

 

[Bogative]

Ok, but shingles don't shoot you in the face without warning due to no fault of your own. A roofer falls and gets hurt/killed almost 100% of the time due to his own carelessness and/or hubris.*

* source: am contractor who has also installed linear miles of shingles

Did you ever use toe boards, roof jacks, a safety harness, scaffolding, temporary safety rails or make sure your ladder was secure before you got on a roof?

If yes, that means you are an overly anxious, paranoid coward. The dangers inherent to being a roofer are known and include the prospect of a fall leading to severe injury or even death.

Maybe send the pizza delivery boy and convenience store clerk up on the next three-story 12/12 roof you do, it'll be a walk in the park compared to the danger they're exposed to.