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Criminal Behavior Against US Police Officers

PhantomWolf said:
And then what, if there is no one to enforce the law what happens then?
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Instead of cops showing up 5 hrs late and telling you there's nothing they can do, no one ever shows up. What a loss.

NYC conducted a natural experiment when cops did a work slowdown protest.

Crime dropped when the goon squad took a break from aggressively patrolling the streets.

https://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-proactive-policing-crime-20170925-story.html

The connection between crime rates and cops on the street is not nearly as directly correlated as pro-police advocates would want people to believe. It's much more complicated, and there's ample evidence to show that over-policing is actually detrimental.
 
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Bogative said:
So yes, there are mainly "ordinary traffic stops" but police officers can't determine that beforehand and they should treat all stops as potentially life-threatening until they are over.
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And this is an excuse for not being able to do their jobs properly and violating the most basic tenet of government agents in a free country?
 
Norman Alexander said:
Two police officers came to our place today. They were looking for a lost child. We hadn't seen it, so they thanked us and went away. No guns drawn on either side, just a short chat.

So the score is now Cops Shot: 2, Cops not shot: 2. A draw.
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They came to my place last week, guns drawn yelling at my landlord/roommate. Domestic dispute with the girlfriend. Nobody was shot though. His GF lied and said he "had a bunch of guns". Far as I know that's legal. He hates guns and owns zero.
 
Bogative said:
So yes, there are mainly "ordinary traffic stops" but police officers can't determine that beforehand and they should treat all stops as potentially life-threatening until they are over.
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Exactly like convenience store clerks should treat every customer as an armed robber. You have to expect to be held at gun point if you want your beef stick
 
Bogative said:
When a police officer approaches a vehicle, they have to consider that anything can happen as evidenced by what happened to the Chicago PD officer.
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You are applying abysmal statistical thinking. That it happened once or a few times doesn't mean they "have to" consider anything. Meteors happen but we don't generally take those into account when building our cities.

And of course officers need to be careful. This is a trivial argument.

Since my first response was removed, I'll try again.
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Yes, try to have it be on topic this time.
 
Belz... said:
You are applying abysmal statistical thinking.
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I learned them from reading all the Karen, ACAB & While Black threads here at the ISF. I learned when an event that has a statistically low probability of happening actually happens it's proof of systemic racism and that all cops are bastards or racists and that America is a fundamentally racist society.



That it happened once or a few times doesn't mean they "have to" consider anything.
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Yet, it doesn't stop Michelle Obama from worrying about her daughters being pulled over when they get in a car. Humans, including cops, can be irrational.

Once or a few times?

Try 38 killed and 209 wounded LEOs by gunfire alone already this year. This doesn't even count all of the times they were shot at and other types of deaths and injuries from vehicles, deadly weapons, etc.
 
Bogative said:
I learned them from reading all the Karen, ACAB & While Black threads here at the ISF. I learned when an event that has a statistically low probability of happening actually happens it's proof of systemic racism and that all cops are bastards or racists and that America is a fundamentally racist society.



Yet, it doesn't stop Michelle Obama from worrying about her daughters being pulled over when they get in a car. Humans, including cops, can be irrational.

Once or a few times?

Try 38 killed and 209 wounded LEOs by gunfire alone already this year. This doesn't even count all of the times they were shot at and other types of deaths and injuries from vehicles, deadly weapons, etc.
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https://thedaily.case.edu/study-finds-more-active-duty-police-officers-died-of-covid-19-in-2020-than-all-other-causes-combined/

Of the 264 police officers who died in the line of duty in 2020 across the United States, more than half died of COVID-19, according to new data compiled by the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund (PDF) (NLEOMF).
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Bogative said:
So yes, there are mainly "ordinary traffic stops" but police officers can't determine that beforehand and they should treat all stops as potentially life-threatening until they are over.
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If they do not have evidence that something is life threatening, then they shouldn't act like it.

I'm not afforded the same options even if I face potentially life threatening scenarios. I can't just pull guns on people.
 
BobTheCoward said:
If they do not have evidence that something is life threatening, then they shouldn't act like it.

I'm not afforded the same options even if I face potentially life threatening scenarios. I can't just pull guns on people.
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This is America! The hell you can't!

*Insert South Park "They're coming right for us!" gif*
 
BobTheCoward said:
If they do not have evidence that something is life threatening, then they shouldn't act like it.

I'm not afforded the same options even if I face potentially life threatening scenarios. I can't just pull guns on people.
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True, but you are not charged with confronting members of the public who may view you as a direct and immediate threat to their freedom or life, without your knowledge of the threat they perceive.
 
Thermal said:
True, but you are not charged with confronting members of the public who may view you as a direct and immediate threat to their freedom or life, without your knowledge of the threat they perceive.
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If they can't handle it then they need a new job.
 
Thermal said:
True, but you are not charged with confronting members of the public who may view you as a direct and immediate threat to their freedom or life, without your knowledge of the threat they perceive.
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That's ok neither are the cops. They certainly are not liable for anything if they ignore someone beating you to death because they are too scary.
 
Bogative said:
I learned them from reading all the Karen, ACAB & While Black threads here at the ISF. I learned when an event that has a statistically low probability of happening actually happens it's proof of systemic racism and that all cops are bastards or racists and that America is a fundamentally racist society.



Yet, it doesn't stop Michelle Obama from worrying about her daughters being pulled over when they get in a car. Humans, including cops, can be irrational.

Once or a few times?

Try 38 killed and 209 wounded LEOs by gunfire alone already this year. This doesn't even count all of the times they were shot at and other types of deaths and injuries from vehicles, deadly weapons, etc.
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wait, so, not a lot then?

COVID and traffic killed more in 2020 than gun deaths.
 
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BobTheCoward said:
If they can't handle it then they need a new job.
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That can be said of any job. Threats exist, and you can't accuse any victim of on-the-job unexpected casualties of "not handling it". No one can reasonably be expected to "just handle" being murdered at work.
 
Thermal said:
That can be said of any job. Threats exist, and you can't accuse any victim of on-the-job unexpected casualties of "not handling it". No one can reasonably be expected to "just handle" being murdered at work.
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Yes, we can expect that. Let's clarify what the expectation is....treating individuals appropriately. I don't think the triangle shirtwaist fire would justify the employees pulling guns on people.
 
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Also for all the "They protect us" chest beating let us not forget that the the law has come down multiples times on the side of cops having zero obligation to actually help anyone.
 
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