plague311
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Yeah, I'm more of a "meat aisle" hunter myself.
What is the NRA up to these days?
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Yeah, I'm more of a "meat aisle" hunter myself.
TurkeysGhost
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But to go back to the OP, what is the NRA up to these days?
Seems they've adopted a more low-profile stance. They're involved in litigation against their former PR company that was responsible for most of the more notable and outrageous content of the last few years, and they're facing serious litigation out of NY.
Besides this story about the elephant, I'm not really seeing much about the NRA out in the limelight.
Seems they've adopted a more low-profile stance. They're involved in litigation against their former PR company that was responsible for most of the more notable and outrageous content of the last few years, and they're facing serious litigation out of NY.
Besides this story about the elephant, I'm not really seeing much about the NRA out in the limelight.
The gun lobby claims that criminals would never register the guns they buy. Ignoring the fact that the person selling the gun is responsible for the registration.
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Stacyhs
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When someone eats that half of a Whopper, I'm pretty sure they might be getting "enjoyment", indirectly, from that killing.
But, hey, as long as it is just "fast food" and industrialized murder for profit...no harm, no foul. Right?
Humorous.
Your attempt to equate eating a hamburger to someone enjoying killing animals is beyond ridiculous. So, in your world, anyone who eats meat is a sadistic low life? Pathetic.
Stacyhs
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Going with that argument, we shouldn't have any laws because criminals would never obey them anyway.
Licensed dealers register them. But in some states, like Colorado, Georgia, Idaho, Florida, and Pennsylvania, the law actually forbids gun registration. Most states neither require not forbid gun registration.
https://ballotpedia.org/Firearm_registration_requirements_by_state
Hey, I didn't say they were killers. They only took out the contract. It's like being a murderer, without the moral and ethical overhead.
It is easy to condemn those who kill things for causes that we don't ascribe to, right?
Susheel
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What? That sounded like a Jim Jordan blab.
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The preponderance of evidence from various countries demonstrates that compulsory gun registration doesn’t deliver the solutions that government officials promise such as reduction of homicides, reducing suicides, and/or assisting police in solving crimes. They are also very expensive. Compliance is low enough that punishing anybody who didn’t register their guns would result in a large portion of the population in prison for a malum prohibitum offense.
Read about it.
Stacyhs
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Stacyhs
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Sure does. It makes no sense. Since when did enjoying killing animals become a 'cause'?
shemp
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Three rats, including Ted Nugent, jump ship from the NRA Board of Directors.
https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/1424393599840444417
https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/1424393599840444417
plague311
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By the sounds of it there are a few things going on that's causing this. I think it all boils down to, as some comments on twitter said, the money is running dry, and no one is willing to give up their own.
Ted Nugent has scheduling conflicts? With what? LoL I can't imagine he's booked solid. In fact, according to his website he's canceled his 2021 tour and moved it to 2022. It was named "Great White Buffalo Tour". So, I'm sure tens of people are bummed to hear that.
Segnosaur
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I think part of the problem is not the registration of newly-sold guns, but the registration of the millions of guns that are already in private hands. (such as some old shotgun or 22 that you got on your 18th birthday that has been sitting in your closet for the past half century.)
Stacyhs
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I don't see that as a problem.
My dad had some old rifles that had to be 100 years old that belonged to his Montana cattle rancher grandfather. I don't think any of them even worked any more. He just had them on a gun rack in his home office for sentimental reasons. He also had an 1874 SS Army Colt .45 that I sold later for ten grand. I doubt any of those would have had to be registered. I know the Colt didn't and I could even send it through the mail unlike other guns.
And as has been pointed out previously in this forum: Guns used by criminals have a high turnover rate. They are not using guns that they have had for years, they are using guns they've had for weeks. Recent transactions.
So actions that regulate guns that are in flux more than guns in storage are still potentially useful as a means of preventing movement of guns from the legal market into the black market or the use of guns in crimes.
As for Nugent and others leaving the NRA - I am guessing that many of those leaving the NRA will gravitate towards different gun-advocacy groups. Those tend to be more local, smaller, and more, shall we say, "opinionated".
None of this has much effect on the arms buildup by those who are motivated by the potential for some sort of civil conflict, such as the Boogaloo Boys and the militia groups. It's two very different problems with different motivations and different hardware preferences. There is no one size fits all approach.
So actions that regulate guns that are in flux more than guns in storage are still potentially useful as a means of preventing movement of guns from the legal market into the black market or the use of guns in crimes.
As for Nugent and others leaving the NRA - I am guessing that many of those leaving the NRA will gravitate towards different gun-advocacy groups. Those tend to be more local, smaller, and more, shall we say, "opinionated".
None of this has much effect on the arms buildup by those who are motivated by the potential for some sort of civil conflict, such as the Boogaloo Boys and the militia groups. It's two very different problems with different motivations and different hardware preferences. There is no one size fits all approach.
Unless steps were taken to render them non functional, such as removing the firing pin, I would assume they are functional. Probably give them a cleaning, oil them up and it's good to go. Unless you suffer from sort of environment that turbo charges rust, old guns are fairly bullet proof <pun intended>.
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The BFDA has a category called a Curio & Relic license. It lets you purchase older guns without background checks and easily register firearms. There might be inspections to make sure your not acting as a dealer but they don’t press too hard.
Stacyhs
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Unfortunately, they were wrapped in a blanket and hidden in a back bedroom after my dad died. We discovered they had been stolen several years later after we cleaned out the house after my mom died. We had wondered why my mom's handyman, who had painted that room, suddenly disappeared without a trace even though he'd worked for her for at least 3-4 years. Since Mom lived alone and no one else ever went upstairs without me or my sister with them (and that was exceedingly rare), there was no one else who could have taken them.
I don't worry about registering guns as I don't allow any in my house. Now, my gun nut BIL? I think he's got between 30 and 40 and he's not even a hunter. They just make him feel like a big man.
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Segnosaur
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I guess the question becomes: What do you want the registry to do. (Which of course affects the question: What do you want the registry to be.)
Do you want to handle all potential situations (such as: situations where guns are stolen from a home but not used in a crime, or something that can warn cops if a domestic dispute they are responding to might have firearms present? ) Or do you want to just concentrate on "street crime"?
If your only goal is something to handle your regular corner store robbery, then a smaller gun registry (only dealing with new gun sales) would be appropriate. If you want something more comprehensive, then you need to figure out how to handle older guns that have been sitting in someone's closet for year. Then, once you figure out what type of registry you want (comprehensive vs. new gun only), you have to figure out how much value it will provide (and how much money is worth investing in it.) How will it help solve crimes/prevent gun violence, and are there alternative ways to spend the money that will be more effective.
Someone posted a reference to the Canadian gun registry earlier, which turned out to be a big failure.. Canada has been registering handguns for decades, but at one point the government decided to also register rifles/shotguns (including older ones). It was originally supposed to cost ~$2 million to set up, but by the end it had cost over $1 billion. And it STILL wasn't comprehensive (since many people either didn't register their guns, or tried but the government messed up the paperwork).
Even if those guns didn't work, or were old enough to be considered antiques, there are plenty of guns that are slightlyl newer (decades instead of centuries) that would still be functional and even used on a regular basis.