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Cont: Trump’s Coup - Part 2

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Thanks for the explanation regarding Clinton and the tobacco farmers in Kentucky.

Too bad for them. They were growing a product that kills people. There is NO other reason to grow tobacco except for smoking. They chose to do that. They could have grown something else. I might as well feel sorry for the slave owners who couldn't keep their plantations after the slaves were freed. TFB.
 
Stacyhs said:
Thanks for the explanation regarding Clinton and the tobacco farmers in Kentucky.

Too bad for them. They were growing a product that kills people. There is NO other reason to grow tobacco except for smoking. They chose to do that. They could have grown something else. I might as well feel sorry for the slave owners who couldn't keep their plantations after the slaves were freed. TFB.
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It didn't stop the sale of tobacco only increased the profit for the tobacco companies.
 
Trebuchet said:
Two states apportion electors by Congressional District. Any state is free to change it's laws to do that. That COULD be seriously impacted by gerrmandering.
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JoeMorgue said:
How do people think the Republicans got all the state level power that lets them pass their "LOL let's close every voting station in a neighbor black neighborhood" and "You can only vote for 2 hours on Friday if the moon is full" nonsense?

Elections as a process happen on a state level. Republicans have a huge amount of state level power right now.
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Exactly.

Gerrymandering lets one control the state. That lets one control the environment for voting - still something that shocks me. In the UK, polling stations are all open the same time 07:00-22:00 in every election and if they serve a larger voting population than a couple of thousand potential voters, they need to make special arrangements to ensure capacity. The longest I've waited to vote was about 3 people. And that was during Covid.
 
jimbob said:
Exactly.

Gerrymandering lets one control the state. That lets one control the environment for voting - still something that shocks me. In the UK, polling stations are all open the same time 07:00-22:00 in every election and if they serve a larger voting population than a couple of thousand potential voters, they need to make special arrangements to ensure capacity. The longest I've waited to vote was about 3 people. And that was during Covid.
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And the Democrats have completely ignored state-level power while the Republicans are obsessed with it.

A major push to take back governorships and state-level legislatures needs to a much higher priority for them.
 
jimbob said:
Exactly.

Gerrymandering lets one control the state. That lets one control the environment for voting - still something that shocks me. In the UK, polling stations are all open the same time 07:00-22:00 in every election and if they serve a larger voting population than a couple of thousand potential voters, they need to make special arrangements to ensure capacity. The longest I've waited to vote was about 3 people. And that was during Covid.
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The longest I've waited is the length of time it takes me to put a stamp on the envelope and pop it in my mailbox.
 
Crazy Chainsaw said:
It cost many Familes their small family farms, Tobacco paid the property taxes and provided a dependable winter income.if you loose your home, you definitely remember why.
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I can see a number perspectives on this.

One of them is that they failed to diversify their revenue and were therefore dangerously exposed to a single policy change. Businesses that don't innovate or plan for disaster fall apart. Been that way for millenia.

Then I can turn around and point out the prior policies effectively encouraged exactly that kind of complacency.

See also: corn subsidies and upper midwest agricultural states like Iowa and Ohio.

It all boils down to using public funds to buy votes. It is pure patronage. It benefits the career politician, it benefits the recipients of the largesse, but it doesn't make actual, practical sense.

"Paying out subsidies to farmers for planting a specific crop and then paying them more to destroy the harvest" is perhaps not strictly true, but it isn't far off enough not to scratch your head at.
 
Stacyhs said:
The longest I've waited is the length of time it takes me to put a stamp on the envelope and pop it in my mailbox.
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Worked the same way for my neighbor, after I traded him my ballot for a 6-pack. I admire the integrity of the process, as I am sure you do. :thumbsup:
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Or like a lot of voters Dump influences with gaslighting, Clinton failed to counter the soundbite used against her. The actual statement included saying how the miners needed to be retrained for other jobs.


When faced with a gaslighter like Dump, addressing lie after lie was, still is, and will be in the future a serious problem the Democrats need to be a lot better at countering.



When you can say anything at all like Dump does and a huge number of voters cannot distinguish fact from lie, that's a tough nut to crack.
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It would be great if that happened.

It would be great if the last 500 times that promise had been trotted out, it materialized.

And so trotting that line out actually lands as a negative, for the receiver hears, "I think you were born yesterday."

Trump lampooning the idea with his comment about coal miners making cell phones out of "little tiny piece of stuff" was hogwash, yes. But it touched on a very real part of modern American political history that resonates deep.
 
Delphic Oracle said:
It would be great if that happened.

It would be great if the last 500 times that promise had been trotted out, it materialized.

And so trotting that line out actually lands as a negative, for the receiver hears, "I think you were born yesterday."

Trump lampooning the idea with his comment about coal miners making cell phones out of "little tiny piece of stuff" was hogwash, yes. But it touched on a very real part of modern American political history that resonates deep.
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Y'all can't help yourselves, can ya. Badmouth Clinton in a thread where it is off-topic to respond.

How was it supposed to materialize when she wasn't elected?

The actual quote in spoilers because it's a sidetrack. On topic is the fact Dump was good at running with any soundbite and the Democrats were terrible at responding, as has already been said ad nauseum.
https://www.npr.org/2016/05/03/476485650/fact-check-hillary-clinton-and-coal-jobs

Clinton did tell a town hall audience in Columbus, Ohio in March that "we're going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business." But that was part of a longer answer about the need to help blue-collar workers adjust. "We're going to make it clear that we don't want to forget those people," Clinton said. "Those people labored in those mines for generations, losing their health, often losing their lives to turn on our lights and power our factories. Now we've got to move away from coal and all the other fossil fuels, but I don't want to move away from the people who did the best they could to produce the energy that we relied on."
 
Warp12 said:
Because nobody around here ever goes OT to bash Trump or the GOP, right? :rolleyes:
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Oh...I'm so sorry! Bill Clinton has so much influence on politics today, right? He's the de facto head of the Dem party and Dems are genuflecting to him in fear that he might primary them? Bill Clinton is trying to overturn a legitimate election with claims of a 'rigged election'! Did I get that right? Pathetic excuse from you.
 
Stacyhs said:
I don't believe you. That's a pile of crap.
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I wasn't worried too much about it, tbh. I got my votes in, and then some. My roommate works at the post office, and he culled some extra ballots. So, free 6-pack. Win-win.

Great process. :thumbsup:
 
Warp12 said:
I wasn't worried too much about it, tbh. I got my votes in, and then some. My roommate works at the post office, and he culled some extra ballots. So, free 6-pack. Win-win.

Great process. :thumbsup:
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You might want to join Trump in a lawsuit claiming voting fraud. Oh, wait....
 
Stacyhs said:
You might want to join Trump in a lawsuit claiming voting fraud. Oh, wait....
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Nope. I consider voting fraud to be equal-opportunity....especially if the process invites it.

Hence, I always felt Trump's claim was suspect, at best.
 
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