I think they should change their name to "Center for Monitoring the Impact of Hate taught to Children". That would be more descriptive of what they actually do.I don't discourage the work of the "Center for Monitoring the Impact of Peace", but they really should change their name to something more realistic--perhaps "Center for Monitoring the Impact of Unicorns".
Well maybe they shouldn't be terrorists and terrorize Israelis or kidnap foreigners like you Kate...maybe that is why they're "wanted by the Israelis and the Palestinian Authority".January 03, 2006
THE British aid worker kidnapped and held for three days with her parents in Gaza, had a blazing row with her captors shortly before the family was released in a back street in the dead of night, she told The Times yesterday.
As the two Palestinian gunmen who had abducted Kate Burton and her parents, Hugh, 73, and Win, 55, prepared to video their captives as a condition of their release, she burst into a tear-filled rage demanding they be set free.
“The kidnappers were getting nervous and angry and started shouting at me,” she said. “They told me I was being disrespectful, despite all the food and blankets they’d given us. I got really mad. I screamed at him, ‘Do you want me to get down on my knees and say thank you, thank you?’
“I was exhausted and started crying and crying. I told them, ‘I came to work with these people and I feel like I’ve been stabbed in the back’.”
Ms Burton, 24, continued to show mixed feelings for her captors, who had treated the hostages well and even proudly shared pictures of their own children.
“I can’t forgive them for what they did to me, but I think they will keep doing it in future. I feel sorry for these guys. Their lives are completely shattered. They’ve no freedom of movement; no family life. They can’t stay at home because they’re wanted by the Israelis and the Palestinian Authority.”
Ya...taking mom and pop on a sightseeing tour of Gaza where islamist gunmen and terrorists rule the streets was a really stupid idea for an un-armed British female WASP.January 03, 2006
“From the start they were saying, ‘Please don’t be frightened. Tell your parents not to worry.’ They kept saying we’d be freed in a few hours. But after a while we didn’t believe the guy because he said so many things.”
The kidnappers soon tired of holding the family and simply wanted to be rid of them.
Ms Burton expressed her own guilt at having taken her parents to Gaza, despite Foreign Office travel advice not to make such a visit. “I feel really, really guilty,” she said. “I feel irresponsible. I’m the one who lives there and should have known better. I wanted them to see it was safe and feel a bit calmer about where I lived. But I’ve given them their worst Christmas and their worst holiday ever.
January 03, 2006
However, Ms Burton, who also speaks Hebrew and worked on a kibbutz, plans to stay in the region and hopes to go on working for the Palestinian people. But she does not plan to return to Gaza.
“I’m concerned about my own personal security,” she said. “I don’t know if my life would be at risk. I want to stay working with the Palestinian people. I think I couldn’t be anywhere else. I’d feel guilty if I turned my back on them.”
They found that the Palestinian Authority schoolbooks incite hatred, violence and anti-Semitism. They found through analysis over the past six or seven years that Palestinian Authority schoolbooks de-legitimized Israel as a state and Israel is portrayed as a foreign colonial occupier. The Palestinian Authority schoolbooks do not even show Israel's existence on school maps which only show "Palestine". Instead of seizing an opportunity to educate future generations of Palestinians to live with Israel in peace, the PA has done everything in its power to teach hatred to young minds.
You are free not believe me Orwell...you are free to go to The Center for Monitoring the Impact of Peace website and read the schoolbook reports for yourself. All I would say is if you do it then you may understand something you obviously know nothing about.
Because it is drilled into their heads as a child, see: above. And when they are old enough it is drilled into their heads as adults.
The Middle East Media Research Institute:
They found that the Palestinian Authority official media and public sermons ALSO incited hatred and violence, they deligitimized Israel and are entirely anti-Semitic. Here is one such official Friday sermon on Palestinian Authority TV....this is after how many peace treaties the PA signed with Israel? Yet this is what the PA shows and pays for on their TV stations in 2005! Even under Abbas.
I think you get the picture without me quoting all of this ******** garbage.
This is why the Palestinians have taken such an extremist path, because they are taught to. Like I said before don't believe me, go to the Middle East Media Research Institute and the Center for Monitoring the Impact of Peace websites for yourself and read the reports in detail. They do all the hard work for you and translate the Palestinian schoolbooks and media into english with pretty pictures and streaming videos to boot.
Then come back to this debate Orwell actually "informed".
This is why.Why do you assume that I don't know about that crap?
Meanwhile just a few short posts ago...By the way, could you please give us some examples of what's on Israeli school books?
...and this is why...The Center for Monitoring the Impact of Peace has published 10 reports to-date on the following countries in the region: Egypt, Israel, Palestinian National Authority (PNA), Saudi Arabia and Syria.
I'm pretty sure that Israeli school books are filled with nationalist hokum.
Strawman #1,234.You sound like you want people to be convinced that it's all the Palestinian's fault.
Euromutt, can you show us any pics of women wearing the kaffiya? I'm having a few second-thoughts now after I told Perforatu he was wrong about assuming that checkered headdress was common among the population in palestine, and I said the females don't wear them, but I'm looking around now in more detail to see if that is really the case...
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No B/W or Red or Green Keffiyas anywhere in this picture --- I'll keep searching and see if something pops up elsewhere. Now I'm curious to see where this leads...
No, I've never read those reports. I knew about Palestinian school books from other sources. How do I know that the "The Center for Monitoring the Impact of Peace" is legit? By the way, if Israeli school books are neutral on this subject, cool, I don't mind being wrong about this... But still, do Israeli school books talk about the terrorism of the Haganah, Irgun, and Lehi groups? It should also be kept in mind that school is not the only place were nationalist hokum is absorbed.Which pretty well validates that you've never read the reports at The Center for Monitoring the Impact of Peace.
Strawman #1,234.
Why do you assume that I don't know about that crap? I wanted to know what Freakshow and Mycroft know. By the way, could you please give us some examples of what's on Israeli school books? I don't have any, but I know enough about human nature and the way how history is taught to kids to be able to speculate with a certain degree of certitude... I'm pretty sure that Israeli school books are filled with nationalist hokum. Of course, that doesn't excuse the PA, but it sure puts some perspective on the whole deal...
Why do you have so much trouble simply admitting that Israel has done its share of stupid things in this conflict? You sound like you want people to be convinced that it's all the Palestinian's fault.
I am not being "purposefully obtuse", I am being curious. See, debates on this subject tend to become name calling matches... So I decided to ask questions, in the hope of, for once, leading this discussion somewhere.
Now, I'd like to ask a few more questions:
For starters, has Israel committed human rights abuses in the occupied territories?
I guessed as much.No, I've never read those reports.
Well Orwell either the Center for Monitoring the Impact of Peace are perpetuating a huge hoax since 1998 or they are for real. Considering they've been around since 1998 and "have had extensive correspondence with key international organizations such as the EU, UNRWA, Council of Europe and UNESCO" leads me to conclude they are legit rather than a hoax.I knew about Palestinian school books from other sources. How do I know that the "The Center for Monitoring the Impact of Peace" is legit?
You askedBut still, do Israeli school books talk about the terrorism of the Haganah, Irgun, and Lehi groups? It should also be kept in mind that school is not the only place were nationalist hokum is absorbed.
...and...Tell me, why do you think Islamic militants are getting this much support? I want some actual analysis, not just the usual "Palestinians baaad" malarkey.
That also begs a couple of simple questions: who's been doing the brainwashing, and most importantly, why do Palestinians believe in this alleged brainwashing you're talking about?
No, I've never read those reports.
do Israeli school books talk about the terrorism of the Haganah, Irgun, and Lehi groups?
Sunday, July 31, 2005
Across camp, a group of younger children -- most between 10 and 12 -- sat in a circle in the sand singing one of the "intifada songs" they learn at camp. One boy sang verses in a rolling soprano as the others joined in on the one-word chorus.
"We don't want to sleep.
HA-A-MAS!
We want revenge.
HA-A-MAS!
Raise it up.
HA-A-MAS!
Rifle fire.
HA-A-MAS!
If it will take a thousand martyrs.
HA-A-MAS!
Kill Zionists.
HA-A-MAS!
Wherever they are.
HA-A-MAS!
In the name of God.
HA-A-MAS!"
Such activities prompt Israeli officials to look harshly at the camps...
...and...Tell me, why do you think Islamic militants are getting this much support? I want some actual analysis, not just the usual "Palestinians baaad" malarkey.
That also begs a couple of simple questions: who's been doing the brainwashing, and most importantly, why do Palestinians believe in this alleged brainwashing you're talking about?
A good point that bookends my earlier post.Now; have the Palestinians committed human rights abuses? Sure this thread details one such human rights abuse...but it's okay because she's sure they only kidnapped her because of the evil influence of the zionist entity. Clearly there's no need for an investigation....and surprise! No functioning Palestinian apparatus by which to investigate, prosecute, and bring these offenders to justice; much less defeat jihadists at the polls....so I guess it's a good thing she's decided not to sue eh?
Why do you assume that I don't know about that crap?
By the way, could you please give us some examples of what's on Israeli school books? I don't have any, but I know enough about human nature and the way how history is taught to kids to be able to speculate with a certain degree of certitude... I'm pretty sure that Israeli school books are filled with nationalist hokum.
Orwell keeps claiming he wants "actual evidence" of Palestinian brainwashing, not "just the usual Palestinians bad" malarky. But when he is presented with just such evidence, and in spades, he ignores it, or claims it is biased, or says israel does the same thing, or any of a million other excuses.
He simply doesn't want to know the truth.
People try to find some sort of moral equivalence to rationalize the Mid East conflict. Israel must be doing something bad for the Palestinians to be doing something bad I often hear.It would be fun, in a dark-humor sort of way, to write a history book that takes the position that everyone is equally responsible for everything.
(note: the population of urban Nablus is just over 100,000 people and Nablus district has around 205,000 people) So if 73% of the Palestinian population in Nablus freely support a party who is recognized by the EU, US, Canada and Israel as war-mongering, bomb-making terrorists then perhaps looking for some moral equivalence to rationalize the Mid East conflict is the wrong way to go. That has always been my position.Friday, 16 December 2005, 10:56 GMT
The Palestinian electoral commission said that in the biggest city, Nablus, Hamas took 73% of the vote, while the mainstream Fatah organisation took 13%.
People try to find some sort of moral equivalence to rationalize the Mid East conflict. Israel must be doing something bad for the Palestinians to be doing something bad I often hear.
It's like creationism, only applied to politics. He starts with the "correct" truth, that the conflict is driven equally by both sides, who are equally at fault, and anything that doesn't with that "truth" just gets rejected, its proponants dismissed as "partisan hacks".
It would be fun, in a dark-humor sort of way, to write a history book that takes the position that everyone is equally responsible for everything. Could you make Armenians equally responsible as Stalin for their genocide?
This reminds me of an OP-ED which talks about such woo-woo political thought:That kind of woo-woo political logic drives me nuts, and it's rampant in Middle East discussions.
08:10 03/01/2006
"Blame the Mossad" - By Gideon Bachar - deputy director of the Foreign Ministry's Jordanian, Syrian and Lebanese division.
It is the belief that anything bad that happens in the region is the result of an Israeli and Western conspiracy against Arab interests. The chief culprit is always Western and Israeli intelligence agencies, like the Mossad, the CIA or the British MI6.
One recent example of this is in the former chairman of the Jordanian Writers Union, Fakhri Qi'war, who claimed the Mossad was behind the fatal bombings in Amman in November. Anyone who happened to be in Sinai after the bombings there would have heard locals repeating the claim that Israel was responsible for the atrocities, since "Al-Qaida does not have a terror infrastructure in Sinai."
Other examples are accusations that Israel was behind the assassination of former Lebanese prime minister Rafik Hariri because of his links to Syria, and the claim that the Mossad and the CIA were behind the September 11 attacks on New York and Washington, which, they claim, served American and Israeli interests.
After the death of Yasser Arafat, I was asked by one Arab diplomat, "What is the truth?" In other words, did Israel really murder him? And the phenomenon is not limited to the Middle East; it occurs among people of Middle Eastern descent now living in the West. That explains why Muslims living in the United Kingdom blamed Israel for carrying out the London bombings this summer.
These theories appear to fulfill some psychological need - an explanation of the weakness of the Arab world against Israel and the West. Indeed, these theories are most often promulgated by the weaker side, which is looking for explanations for its weakness.
Every conspiracy theory contains two elements: It is connected to a real event, and it aims to explain or interpret reality.
An awareness of the extent of the phenomenon is an important part of understanding the region and our ability to exist here in peace and prosperity.
16:58 Jan 03, '06 / 3 Tevet 5766
Moslem incitement on the Temple Mount has reached new depths, so to speak, as the chief cleric of the Al-Aksa mosque accuses Israel of building a synagogue under the mosque.
The cleric, Sheikh Mohammed Hussein, said at a news conference on Tuesday that Israel was building the synagogue in order to cause the mosque to collapse.
Israel has formally denied the charges, stating categorically that nothing at all was being developed under the mosque, let alone a synagogue.
A key speaker at the conference was Sheikh Ekrema Sabri, who holds the position of “General Mufti for Jerusalem and Palestine” for the Palestinian Authority.
Sabri told Wafa, the news agency for the Palestine Liberation Organization (the PA’s umbrella organization), that “the Israeli authorities have been exploiting the big gates of the western side of Al-Aqsa since 1996 through conducting a series of excavation works which ended with clandestinely erecting a synagogue.”