Not vaccinated=selfish & irresponsible?

[cullennz]

You see, the problem is that in many cases it isn't a few. What is happening is an active misinformation and disinformation campaign based on fear-mongering and ignorance, often pushed by charismatic BS artists.

Valid point. Sortry, had'nt really considered the situation in other countries,

Here it seems to be a bit oh well, Might as well and afew nos.

Just saying while I will probably be a yes when available I do have some sympathy for the no argument. All personal choice and that. And at the end of the day the nos will probablly end up banned from every where.

 

[cullennz]

gain apologies for my even worse spelling than normally bad. working with one arm.

 

[angrysoba]

gain apologies for my even worse spelling than normally bad. working with one arm.

Feel free to give them both a rest.

 

[cullennz]

Geezes what have I done now?
Was just poinying out while it probably needs to be done she is abit dodge scientific trial wise and will probably do it any way. Given our current govts efforts it may noy even matter.

 

[dann]

See, you think it’s selfishness and irresponsibility but from what I understand from talking to people who refuse the vaccine, and even from reading this thread, it’s mostly cowardice as much as they try and dress it up.

But I think there’s enough of us out there to step up and willing to carry the load so you losers can keep crying about plandemics and grapes. I couldn’t imagine being that weak, it’s an embarrassment.

Is your post addressed to me?! If that is the case, you have no idea what you are talking about.
If it isn't, please include a link to the post you are addressing the next time.

By the way, what exactly is "the load" that "enough of us out there" are "willing to carry"? Getting vaccinated?!
To the vast majority "of us out there", getting the vaccine was a relief, not an unselfish sacrifice.

 

[dann]

I think hiding behind people who can’t get it due to medical reasons is exactly the kind of cowardly behavior I was thinking of when I made that post. I think allowing other people to take the risks for you while you sit back and watch because you’re afraid is weak and I don’t have respect for people who do and they should be ashamed of themselves.

Take what risks?! The risks of getting vaccinated are nothing in comparison to the risks of getting Covid-19 - even for young and healthy people.

 

[cullennz]

Take what risks?! The risks of getting vaccinated are nothing in comparison to the risks of getting Covid-19 - even for young and healthy people.

Bit arguable tbf

 

[Belz...]

Nope. You're wrong.

It's not linear, but the risk is much higher that it will.

That you don't want to believe it, or believe in mutation or evolution or whatever else you need to trigger the libs, is irrelevant.

 

[Arcade22]

Science seems to be clear that as long as there are sizeable numbers of people who are not vaccinated, Covid-19 will continue to mutate into more transmittable and more deadly variants.

That's not what science says because if that was how it worked humanity would have been long since extinct. It's quite probable that variants that are more infectious yet less virulent would mutate. Viruses do not "evolve towards" ever increasing deadliness.

 

[Belz...]

Yes, Plandemic, I believed this from when the covid switch was turned on in early March 2020

Having a long-held opinion is not evidence that it's a correct opinion.The ability to change your mind with the evidence is much more reliable.

I had a mask on 2 times when for a dental and MD appt and FOR SURE no jabs in the dark from these unapproved experimental drugs....

In the dark? What are you even talking about.

Also: it's approved in a number of countries.

Get govt out of my life on my health issues....they are my responsibility not govt....

Nonvaccinated people can catch the disease and transmit it, mutating it in the process. This puts everyone at risk, and that is very much the government's responsibility.

I take care of my immune system and it is very strong and I'm 82.

The immune system is not a car. You can't do maintenance on it. It works fine unless your body is missing essential stuff. However, that doesn't mean it can defend itself properly if not properly prepared, which requires exposure. Exposure can kill you or leave you crippled. Vaccines avoid this while giving you that preperation. What's the downside, again?

 

[Belz...]

That's pretty weak.

Actually it's a crucial element of herd immunity and social protection against viruses and bacteria. There's no debate on this: the more people are vaccinated, the more it protects everyone.

 

[Belz...]

It's everyone's Personal Responsibility for their OWN Health!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So you do not in fact believe in transmissible diseases?

 

[Belz...]

Personally will probably have it when qualified (our country has a crap roll out. Thanks Ardern. That rest of the world thinks you're ace, but you could'nt run a bath let alone a country), but do have misgivings given the lack of trial time and possible effects.

What lack of trial time, and what effects?

 

[cullennz]

Having a long-held opinion is not evidence that it's a correct opinion.The ability to change your mind with the evidence is much more reliable.



In the dark? What are you even talking about.

Also: it's approved in a number of countries.



Nonvaccinated people can catch the disease and transmit it, mutating it in the process. This puts everyone at risk, and that is very much the government's responsibility.



The immune system is not a car. You can't do maintenance on it. It works fine unless your body is missing essential stuff. However, that doesn't mean it can defend itself properly if not properly prepared, which requires exposure. Exposure can kill you or leave you crippled. Vaccines avoid this while giving you that preperation. What's the downside, again?

I actually agree with you, but at the end of the day it is what people accept shoved into them. Hopefully with som personal research. But it is all personal choice

 

[cullennz]

What lack of trial time, and what effects?

trials for vaccines usually take 10-15 years and effects

i don't know because like no one does. Welcome to a thing I call my point.

Doesn't matter any way will probably still have it, if I ever qualify.

 

[Belz...]

trials for vaccines usually take 10-15 years and effects

You're exaggerating. More like a year or two. It took less time than usual, but that's because they were already working on coronavirus vaccines before the pandemic hit, allowing them a head start.

i don't know because like no one does.

If you don't know then you can't say there are possible effects. The truth of the matter is that vaccines are much safer than getting the virus.

 

[Roboramma]

You're exaggerating. More like a year or two. It took less time than usual, but that's because they were already working on coronavirus vaccines before the pandemic hit, allowing them a head start.

There were also a lot more resources going to vaccine development for Covid in 2020 than is typical with other vaccines. It's not at all surprising that it happened faster than usual. It would be insane if it didn't.

 

[Roboramma]

Bit arguable tbf

No, it really isn't.

 

[cullennz]

You're exaggerating. More like a year or two. It took less time than usual, but that's because they were already working on coronavirus vaccines before the pandemic hit, allowing them a head start.



If you don't know then you can't say there are possible effects. The truth of the matter is that vaccines are much safer than getting the virus.

https://ftp.historyofvaccines.org/content/articles/vaccine-development-testing-and-regulation
And you don't know there aren't side effects.

This is my point.

 

[Roboramma]

https://ftp.historyofvaccines.org/content/articles/vaccine-development-testing-and-regulation
And you don't know there aren't side effects.

This is my point.

We don't know anything with certainty. But my credence in the view that the risks from the approved vaccines are extremely low is very high, and it should be.