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Not vaccinated=selfish & irresponsible?

Not being vaccinated- selfish & irresponsible?

  • Absolutely

    Votes: 84 94.4%

  • No, Covid is a hoax, not dangerous, mind your business, freedom!!!

    Votes: 5 5.6%
  • Total voters
    89
sir drinks-a-lot said:
Is this really what the science seems to say?

I agree that as long as there are sizeable numbers of people who are not vaccinated Covid-19 will continue to mutate, but will necessarily mutate into more transmittable and more deadly variants?
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This. The new strain is more transmittable,NOT any more deadlier.

AND,herd immunity is not binary. The more people that get it, with or without knowing it, or vaxxed, the slower the spread and fewer mutations.

How does the current death toll compare to flu, 2018?

The curve is flat. Far as I am concerned, it's over.

c) It doesn't matter, to me or to science.
 
Childlike Empress said:
"COVID-19" is a mass psychosis that shows how deeply degenerated and corrupted the "Western" society is. If you look at even the official numbers with a focus on how they are created, it is clear since at least May 2020 that there is no killer virus around.
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And the only way you can maintain that, outside of sticking to conspiracy sites, is to pretend that everyone who disagrees is either a fool or in on the conspiracy.

I'm sure that souds super rational to you.

All the social pressure and nudging will not get me to insert an experimental pharma cartel toxin into my body which has a healthy immune system.
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If it's not prepared to fight some of the more deadly or debilitating microbes, then it's not a healthy immune system.

You do know how those work, right?

What I don't like are your fascist fantasies.
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Assume for a second that the virus exists, and that a few million people have died from it. Is it not rational and in fact not fascist at all to want to exclude those who carry the highest risk of transmission from the general population?
 
Childlike Empress said:
Had you asked me this before the plandemic I would have said "of course", although I'm a person that hasn't seen "a doctor" since decades. Now, I'm not so sure anymore since the BS that is sold to us is so thick.
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Actually you think all this because you've been fed BS. You've been duped into believing the opposite of reality.

So you don't think disease exists? Or just viruses? So people who used to die from them, or who still are, are faking it?
 
I voted yes, but obviously it depends on where you live and the availability of the vaccine. If you're refusing to get vaccinated for baseless conspiracy-theory reasons, then the obvious answer is yes.

If you live somewhere where vaccine supplies are still not meeting demand and you're just lazy about it, other people are getting vaccinated with the vaccine that you would have used, so if anything you're helping others at your own expense.

But in general for people posting on this forum, that's not the case. Where there's no supply issue, you should be getting vaccinated, and, yes, not doing so harms not just you, but everyone around you (and to some extent that world at large), so, yeah, it's selfish and irresponsible.
 
casebro said:
This. The new strain is more transmittable,NOT any more deadlier.

AND,herd immunity is not binary. The more people that get it, with or without knowing it, or vaxxed, the slower the spread and fewer mutations.

How does the current death toll compare to flu, 2018?

The curve is flat. Far as I am concerned, it's over.

c) It doesn't matter, to me or to science.
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Yet you have been minimizing this since day one.

It's definitely not over. I expect a lot more deaths in states where there is an active propaganda campaign by the right-wing against vaccines.

Also listeners to certain podcasts and devotees of the so-called "Intellectual" Dark Web will probably also get serious Covid.

And most virologists that I listen to say it is wildly irresponsible to assume that people getting sick with Covid-19 is a useful way of reaching herd immunity as it is unreliable and obviously runs a much higher risk of serious illness or death.
 
angrysoba said:
And most virologists that I listen to say it is wildly irresponsible to assume that people getting sick with Covid-19 is a useful way of reaching herd immunity as it is unreliable and obviously runs a much higher risk of serious illness or death.
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Especially when a vaccine is available!
 
Silly question. Everyone is selfish and irresponsible when it comes to their own health. Let's add some layers to this if it is going to actually be a discussion. Does this include any vaccine currently made? Are you being selfish if you avoid contact with others and prefer pfizer in the future vs sinovac today? Why?
 
casebro said:
How does the current death toll compare to flu, 2018?
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A new article on Science-Based Medicine asks about the dangers of Covid-19 to children compared with the flu, and a really important point that is skipped over by Covid minimizers is here:

Comparisons between the flu and COVID-19 are confounded by the fact that much of normal life was suspended the past year and masks were ubiquitous. These measures lowered the transmission of both diseases. Therefore, the most meaningful comparison between the two diseases is the past year. The numbers couldn’t be clearer. According to the CDC, 490 children under age 17 years have died of COVID-19 in the US. This number was derived from an analysis of 83% of the total number of COVID-19 deaths, so the actual number of pediatric deaths is certainly a bit higher than this.

In contrast, the CDC reported that just one child died of the flu during the 2020-2021 flu season. Those who compare the two diseases curiously omit this fact. Even in previous years, the flu killed less children than COVID-19. According to the CDC:

Since 2004-2005, flu-related deaths in children reported to CDC during regular flu seasons have ranged from 37 to 199 deaths. (During the 2009 H1N1 pandemic, 358 pediatric flu-related deaths were reported to CDC from April 2009 to September 2010.)​

Not once since the CDC started tracking pediatric flu deaths in 2004-2005 has the flu killed more children in a year than COVID-19.
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Link
 
If there is a medical reason to assume that vaccination would pose a greater health risk to you than an infection, then it's okay to skip.
Otherwise get the shot or start a leper colony.
 
Childlike Empress said:
Had you asked me this before the plandemic I would have said "of course", although I'm a person that hasn't seen "a doctor" since decades. Now, I'm not so sure anymore since the BS that is sold to us is so thick. Maybe people like Stefan Lanka are right. I don't care very much though, at least as long as you leave my body alone. I'll be fine.
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Yes, Plandemic, I believed this from when the covid switch was turned on in early March 2020, I had a mask on 2 times when for a dental and MD appt and FOR SURE no jabs in the dark from these unapproved experimental drugs....no way Jose'....

Get govt out of my life on my health issues....they are my responsibility not govt....

I take care of my immune system and it is very strong and I'm 82.
 
rdwight said:
Silly question. Everyone is selfish and irresponsible when it comes to their own health. Let's add some layers to this if it is going to actually be a discussion. Does this include any vaccine currently made? Are you being selfish if you avoid contact with others and prefer pfizer in the future vs sinovac today? Why?
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How about daily doses of Vit C, Vit D, Zinc, Grape Seed Extract and throw in a dose of Quercetin. These are the protection.
 
Caroline13 said:
Yes, Plandemic, I believed this from when the covid switch was turned on in early March 2020, I had a mask on 2 times when for a dental and MD appt and FOR SURE no jabs in the dark from these unapproved experimental drugs....no way Jose'....

Get govt out of my life on my health issues....they are my responsibility not govt....

I take care of my immune system and it is very strong and I'm 82.
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It's not your health issue.
 
casebro said:
This. The new strain is more transmittable,NOT any more deadlier.
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No, this is wrong.

Delta variant is more transmissible, yes, about 60% more infectious.

But the risk of death is twice as high for Delta than for the original variant.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.05.21260050v1

"Compared to non-VOC SARS-CoV-2 strains, and adjusting for comorbidity, age and sex of cases, and temporal trends, the elevation in risk associated with N501Y-positive variants was 74% (62-86%) for hospitalization; 138% (105-176%) for ICU admission; and 83% (57-114%) for death. Increases with delta variant were even larger: 105% (80-133%) for hospitalization; 241% (163-344%) for ICU admission; and 121% (57-211%) for death. "
 
Distracted1 said:
That's pretty weak. Everyone is a breeding ground for a new mutation of something all of the time.
I didn't get vaccinated to protect anyone else- and frankly don't care if someone else wishes to take the risk of walking around without the same protection.
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Sounds like motivated reasoning on your part.
 
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