Cont: Scorpion's Spiritualism, Part Deux

[MarkCorrigan]

I do hope that you don't abandon this thread again Scorpion

 

[Scorpion]

I do hope that you don't abandon this thread again Scorpion

Why would I bother after all the recent negative flack I have received.

Incidentally I am sure Jesus never told anyone to kill children. Not in all four gospels. There is such a statement in the book of revelations, but that is not regarded as having been written by the John that wrote the gospel. It is regarded as having been written by some other John who got his message in visions. This is unreliable.

 

[abaddon]

Why would I bother after all the recent negative flack I have received.

If you really believe it, then it should be a trivial exercise to defend it. And you cannot.

Incidentally I am sure Jesus never told anyone to kill children.

Mark 7:10

Not in all four gospels.

Irrelevant. If we were to eliminate things that did not appear in all four gospels, we would be left with not very much.

There is such a statement in the book of revelations,

Who cares? You claimed that such a claim could not be found in the gospels, and I just handed you chapter and verse from the gospels.

but that is not regarded as having been written by the John that wrote the gospel. It is regarded as having been written by some other John who got his message in visions. This is unreliable.

The Paul must also be unreliable, right? Road to Damascus and all that? By the time you are finished with your exclusions, there will not be much bible left.

But you claim to be an adherent of "spiritualism". Everything comes from visions there.

You cannot have it both ways.

 

[JayUtah]

Why would I bother after all the recent negative flack I have received.

Oh, boo hoo.

You knew this was the kind of response you were going to get upon your return. You told us you had no delusions about convincing anyone else of your beliefs, but you just wanted to share your views. When you were asked specifically whether the criticism bothered you, you said it didn't -- or if it did, you shook it off easily.

Now it seems the "flak" is all you can talk about. You haven't been treated shabbily. You presented your claims in a forum with the expectation that they would be challenged. You've responded to those challenges with arrogance and rudeness which your critics have asked you to check. Now you're playing the "Poor, poor me!" card.

This forum is never going to approve or endorse your beliefs unless you're able to spell them out in a consistent way and defend them with objective evidence.

It is regarded as having been written by some other John who got his message in visions. This is unreliable.

How is it any less reliable than someone who claims to get messages in visions from various indigenous people? Or rather, from what some people wrongly believe indigenous people are like? Where you go wrong is to treat identical things differently according to evidence depending on whether they benefit you or not.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

Why would I bother after all the recent negative flack I have received.

You have been challenged, and have only been given "flack" for being rude. Which you were.

Incidentally I am sure Jesus never told anyone to kill children. Not in all four gospels.

Yes, he did.

6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Isaiah prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.

9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:

11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.

12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;

13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

There is such a statement in the book of revelations, but that is not regarded as having been written by the John that wrote the gospel. It is regarded as having been written by some other John who got his message in visions. This is unreliable.

Revelation, not revelations. What about all the other lunatic things that Jesus said?

 

[abaddon]

Revelation, not revelations. What about all the other lunatic things that Jesus said?

Why do atheists always get that right, and believers always get it wrong?

It's revelation, not revelations.

For that matter, why have atheists actually read the stupid book and god-botherers have not?

Why are believers unaware of the casual matter of human sacrifice in the bible? (NOT ISAAC and ABE)?

Why are believers oblivious to the promotion of incest in the bible? Or genocide? Or wiping out everything beyond what Noah could squeeze on his stupidly infeasible boatfail?

Ah, see, that's all Old Testament. Jesus made a new covenant. Well, that's the ten commandments right out. Not to mention the other 603 commandments.

Whither the ten commandments? Jebus endorsed five and added two more that were plainly swiped from Hammurabi.

The whole concoction is clearly ******* nuts if one pauses to consider it.

Read the book. It is an invitation to atheism.

 

[Scorpion]

abaddon, you said in a recent post.
"According to your beliefs, you should not intervene even if you could because that three year old was incarnated to suffer that way. To intervene would violate that infants payment of karmic debt of some sort. It, according to your beliefs, would be immoral to intervene."

I have never said you should not intervene to stop horrible things, that is your interpretation.

 

[JayUtah]

I have never said you should not intervene to stop horrible things, that is your interpretation.

It's an interpretation that necessary follows from what you tell us the role of evil is in your model of responsibility. You seem to be happy to allow the contradiction to stand, but critical thinking demands a more carefully reasoned reconciliation.

 

[abaddon]

abaddon, you said in a recent post.
"According to your beliefs, you should not intervene even if you could because that three year old was incarnated to suffer that way. To intervene would violate that infants payment of karmic debt of some sort. It, according to your beliefs, would be immoral to intervene."

I have never said you should not intervene to stop horrible things, that is your interpretation.

Bet you a dollar. You have exactly made that claim. That three year old rape/murder victim was learning...something. AoK made it thus.

AoK were tasked to make it thus. That little speck of humanity deserved it.

Do not pretend that you have not claimed that. Do not provoke me to dredge up what you have actually said. Do not attempt to pretend that is not what you actually said.

If you or I had a random phone call from some street urchin in harms way, what would I do? What would you do?

I would, (and have) staged an intervention.

You would have said it is your "karma" tough luck.

And that is what is obscene about your position.

You are in a position that you happily say that you do not care.

 

[Scorpion]

Yes, he did.

In Mark 7.10 Jesus is quoting what Moses said.

 

[abaddon]

In Mark 7.10 Jesus is quoting what Moses said.

Wow. jebus is saying it it the right thing to do. Do I need to expand that quote? Have you actually never read it? Are you going to resort to the "context" excuse that everyone is heartily sick of?

 

[JayUtah]

In Mark 7.10 Jesus is quoting what Moses said.

And is he doing so in order to contravene it, or to underscore it?

 

[abaddon]

In Mark 7.10 Jesus is quoting what Moses said.

And saying that is what should be done because gawwwwwwwwd.

Read it in that lovely context you love so much.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

In Mark 7.10 Jesus is quoting what Moses said.

Yes, he's quoting Moses and telling off the Pharasees for not killing their disobedient children like Moses said to and excusing them instead. He's even calling them hypocrites for complaining about the disciples not performing certain washing rituals while allowing unruly children to live.

Question for you Scorpion, what did Jesus say about the laws of Moses?

 

[abaddon]

Yes, he's quoting Moses and telling off the Pharasees for not killing their disobedient children like Moses said to and excusing them instead. He's even calling them hypocrites for complaining about the disciples not performing certain washing rituals while allowing unruly children to live.

Question for you Scorpion, what did Jesus say about the laws of Moses?

LOL, funny on a load of levels.

The bottom line is that the bible states that Scorpion is flat out wrong and in league with satan.

That can somehow be ignored when Scorpion claims biblical support for the claim du jour. Because reasons.

And pay attention!!!
Because the claims will all be different tomorrow.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

Actually, follow-up question for you Scorpion. Are you baptised and a believing Christian?

 

[Thor 2]

Wow. jebus is saying it it the right thing to do. Do I need to expand that quote? Have you actually never read it? Are you going to resort to the "context" excuse that everyone is heartily sick of?

Scorpion is referring to his knowledge of what the spirits are saying. Much more reliable than you're humble and fumble interpretations of Biblical text.

 

[sackett]

Few of the pious population know the Bible as well as a lot of atheists. For good reason, because so many atheists started out as praying, hymning, testifyin' Chrrrrristians.

Another set of atheists* skipped all of that and never had a speck of churching, and don't -- can't-- give a floating forb about book, chapter, verse, or syllable from Holey Wright.

* Yeah, me myself yours truly. Go ahead, bang yer empty pot and yell.

 

[arthwollipot]

Incidentally I am sure Jesus never told anyone to kill children. Not in all four gospels. There is such a statement in the book of revelations, but that is not regarded as having been written by the John that wrote the gospel. It is regarded as having been written by some other John who got his message in visions. This is unreliable.

Why are the "visions" of John unreliable and yet the "visions" of spiritualist mediums reliable?

 

[Crossbow]

I am not trying to make a jest of your various religious beliefs, but I would like to address this posting all the same.

Why would I bother after all the recent negative flack I have received.

As for me, I sure do not have any abilities to communicate with dead people, the spirt world, god, or anything of the sort.

However, I accurately forsaw that when you started this thread that sooner or later you would be innudated with logic, and that you would take the logic as a series of personal attacks on you.

As a result, I hope you can understand that sometimes a person (like myself) who has a complete lack of paranormal abilities, can sometimes accurately predict the future.

Incidentally I am sure Jesus never told anyone to kill children. Not in all four gospels. There is such a statement in the book of revelations, but that is not regarded as having been written by the John that wrote the gospel. It is regarded as having been written by some other John who got his message in visions. This is unreliable.

And sorry, but I do not think that you realize that now you are speaking against your own argument.

After all, if Bible is actually supposed to be such a great resource, then it should be able to stand on its own merits. However, when one random person on the Internet (such as yourself) gets to decide what parts of the Bible are reliable and what parts of the Bible are unreliable, then it makes the entire Bible look unreliable.

Especially when the person who is making these decisions is quite well known to have some rather unusual ideas on just how the universe works.

I hope this helps.