Cont: Rioters storm and occupy the US Capitol - part 2

[portlandatheist]

Another rioter pleads guilty
CNNhttps://www.cnn.com/2021/06/22/politics/capitol-riot-guilty-plea-misdemeanor/index.html

A Tennessee man pleaded guilty Tuesday to illegally demonstrating inside the US Capitol on January 6, becoming the fifth rioter to admit their guilt in the massive federal probe.

Slapped with a $500 fine and probably won't see the inside of a jail cell.

 

[gnome]

Someone on another forum linked to one of the various YouTube videos about Louie Gohmert repeating the FBI conspiracy theory, with a warning about the comments that had been posted. I briefly skimmed them, and nearly all of them were things like "The videos showed some of the police letting people in past barriers. That proves that the authorities were organizing it."

But don't question those police or investigate which insiders were complicit!

 

[smartcooky]

Up to 525 now, but no clear indication of who the latest four are.

https://www.insider.com/all-the-us-capitol-pro-trump-riot-arrests-charges-names-2021-1

 

[Belz...]

Another rioter pleads guilty
CNNhttps://www.cnn.com/2021/06/22/politics/capitol-riot-guilty-plea-misdemeanor/index.html


Slapped with a $500 fine and probably won't see the inside of a jail cell.

Well, that'll set an example!

 

[smartcooky]

Another rioter pleads guilty
CNNhttps://www.cnn.com/2021/06/22/politics/capitol-riot-guilty-plea-misdemeanor/index.html

Slapped with a $500 fine and probably won't see the inside of a jail cell.

Not really a fine as such.... more like reparations

"He has agreed to pay $500 to help repair damages to the Capitol"Federal prosecutors recently recommended probation in a similar case involving a nonviolent rioter from Indiana.""​

Yes, I know the article called it a fine, but this doesn't meet the legal definition of a fine. Fines are imposed, not agreed to by the defendant.

It also does not preclude him from jail time or an actual fine, but these are unlikely, and if he is given jail, it won't be a long stint - more likely he willl get probation

"Federal prosecutors recently recommended probation in a similar case involving a non-violent rioter from Indiana."​

Well, that'll set an example!

Not really. Lets look at what he was actually charged with

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/11APWRCzTzgVj_1S6slar5IQKi5ay5kKc

So he isn't accused of

• conspiring with other rioters
• attacking police
• violent entry
• destroying property or criminal damage

It looks like he was non-violent and simply followed others into the Capitol, but did nothing illegal or untoward while he was there... one of Trump's sheeple following other Trump sheeple. He plead guilty to one misdemeanour charge.
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[dudalb]

Right, and it's still perfectly legal to be a member of the KKK, for example, and send them money. Meanwhile sending material support to ISIS is something you can be imprisoned for. Individuals in the US cannot be charged simply for being members of domestic terrorism groups, they must be charged for normal crimes they commit as part of that group.

Classifying these groups as domestic terrorists is a useful organizational tool, but doesn't really carry much weight legally speaking.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_terrorism

There has not been a single "KLan" in the US since the 1930's. You have dozens of individual Klan organization, all claiming to be the "original and true" KKK. They often hate one another as much as they do the inferior races.
Don't get me wrong, the Klans are potentially dangerous but there is no big,central Klan organization like there was in the 1920s. In the 1930's it basically splintered and fell apart during the depression.

 

[dudalb]

Yes, they were two, and unarmed. They backed off as armed reinforcements arrived. If Babbitt had done that, too, she would have been alive now.

Hans

What is amusing about that tape is how quickly the mob dispersed when the DC Cops armed with shotguns entered that hallway........

 

[newyorkguy]

This is ironic. Below is a message posted on Twitter on January 9th. Lousy Antifa stooge!

Is this still the 'operative' explanation? Guess not...

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[Belz...]

This is ironic. Below is a message posted on Twitter on January 9th. Lousy Antifa stooge!

Is this still the 'operative' explanation? Guess not...

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It's every explanation at the same time. It doesn't matter. At this point it's not about what they believe.

 

[newyorkguy]

I watched selfie videos Babbitt took of herself. In one she was warning -- referring to 'The Steal' -- that the "storm is coming." After attending the January 6th rally led by the messiah, Babbitt took a selfie vid en route to the Capitol. She was practically giddy as she enthused, "Look at this crowd!...The storm is here!"

After she was shot, the first person to reach her asked how bad she was hurt. He said Babbitt's last words were: "No, it's cool."
Five years ago I wrote in a message here, after trump said/did something outrageous, "That's nothing, give him a chance. Eventually he'll do something so crazy they'll be talking about it for the next hundred years."

 

[Segnosaur]

Re: Terrorist who plead guilty...

Not really a fine as such.... more like reparations
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It also does not preclude him from jail time or an actual fine, but these are unlikely, and if he is given jail, it won't be a long stint - more likely he willl get probation
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Not really. Lets look at what he was actually charged with
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It looks like he was non-violent and simply followed others into the Capitol, but did nothing illegal or untoward while he was there... one of Trump's sheeple following other Trump sheeple. He plead guilty to one misdemeanour charge.

Even if he didn't personally engage in any violence....
- He had the option of not entering the Capitol
- I saw no evidence that he tried to stop others from engaging in violence
- His presence provided moral and practical support for those who did engage in violence. (In fact, there are pictures of him directing others into the building.)
- He made no attempt to turn himself in prior to his arrest

Unless he has made some genuine effort to express true remorse (which I don't see any evidence for), I think he deserves jail time.

See: The Tennessean

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Winner winner chicken dinner

Oathkeeper is cooperating with the feds and informing on his pals for leniency in sentencing.

Oath Keeper Reaches Plea Deal, Will Cooperate In Major Jan. 6 Conspiracy Case
Graydon Young is part of a group of Oath Keepers facing charges related to the Capitol riot. He’s the first to reach a plea deal with the feds.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/oath-keeper-plea-deal-insurrection-conspiracy-case_n_60d34c76e4b00bad2be279b4?iei

When it comes to snitching, Ricky Bobby rules apply. If you aint first, you're last.

ETA: Unclear if "don't rat on your comrades" is part of the oath they keep.

 

[dudalb]

Another rioter pleads guilty
CNNhttps://www.cnn.com/2021/06/22/politics/capitol-riot-guilty-plea-misdemeanor/index.html


Slapped with a $500 fine and probably won't see the inside of a jail cell.

I think that is what going to happen with most of the accused. Only the more serious offenders are going to see the inside of a jail.

 

[Mumbles]

I think that is what going to happen with most of the accused. Only the more serious offenders are going to see the inside of a jail.

Likely, for those that didn't destroy anything or attempt to harm anyone.

...and honestly, that's fine with me. I don't see any need to jail people that just wandered over because "Trump told me so", and just stood their with their mouths open.

Meanwhile, here's a group that protested actual voter suppression, led by revs William Barber 2 and Al Sharpton, the group tried to meet with Jim Crow McConnell and Joe Manchin, and after held a standard, nonviolent rally. It sounds like many of the leaders were technically arrested, but this just meant that they were held until everyone was issued tickets and then let go.

Personally, I'm very concerned by this contrast in behavior, and I blame the white fathers for not raising their sons properly.

 

[arthwollipot]

ETA: Unclear if "don't rat on your comrades" is part of the oath they keep.

As if any of them would compromise their rugged individuality for the good of the collective.

 

[smartcooky]

ETA: Unclear if "don't rat on your comrades" is part of the oath they keep.

I'd be happy if 3% of them ratted on their comrades.

 

[8enotto]

Just getting a felony for even the mildest of the listed offences means no future voting.

 

[Craig4]

Just getting a felony for even the mildest of the listed offences means no future voting.

Depends on the state.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

I think that is what going to happen with most of the accused. Only the more serious offenders are going to see the inside of a jail.

Based on the criteria that was laid out by the prosecutors to determine their stance on sentencing recommendations, this lady is the most mild of all the potential invaders.

She cooperated with the feds, seems apologetic, was not part of any organized group, and committed no violence or vandalism.

A factor that I think will be important for others similar to her is that she only briefly entered the Capitol and did not go deeper into the building

Prosecutors seem to be making that an important distinction. Lookie-loos that wandered around the entrance lobby might skirt with probation like this lady if they play their cards right. Those that wandered further into the building into more sensitive areas are probably going to have some degree of incarceration recommended.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Prosecutors want as many rioters to plead as possible; the reason being that it might very well be a sound strategy for the worst offenders to delay and delay until there is another Republican Majority in Congress and the White House. And the more cases actually go to Court, the more likely it is that the more serious cases will get postponed for years.