Cont: Rioters storm and occupy the US Capitol - part 2

[newyorkguy]

New video has been released that shows retired New York City police officer Thomas Webster confronting and attacking Capital police on January 6th. It's hard to find a link to a standalone version of the video -- released a few days ago by DOJ, it's downloaded body cam footage from one of the Capitol officers present -- but I'm linking to one on Youtube. It is an NBC News segment and heavily censored.



In an uncensored version, Webster can be heard shouting, "Attack America?" (presumably a reference to 'The Steal'). Then he yells at the Capitol police that they're "******* pieces of ****" and commie *************." He also seems to be demanding the Capitol cops remove their uniforms and join the mob. "Take it off, come on, take it off."

In court Webster's lawyer has described him as a “committed family man with an impeccable character." I guess he means, except for storming the Capitol and attacking the police there. Except for that, I agree, Webster is truly a wonderful man.

 

[pgwenthold]

It's unbelievable that a mob of violent angry people trying to get in a room where the people they want to attack are holed up should be viewed like that. We all saw it, multiple times. She was unfortunate enough to be the first person through the door (window in the door). WTF did the mob expect? No one had shot at them yet ergo no one would? The people inside would let them in?

Yeah, but she was white.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

It's unbelievable that a mob of violent angry people trying to get in a room where the people they want to attack are holed up should be viewed like that. We all saw it, multiple times. She was unfortunate enough to be the first person through the door (window in the door). WTF did the mob expect? No one had shot at them yet ergo no one would? The people inside would let them in?

Of course this is just Carlson upping his ratings by saying outrageous things.

To be fair, the mob was getting very mixed messages from the cops. It probably wasn't a totally unreasonable assumption that this cop would shuffle off once they kicked the door down, so many had readily given up lightly held defenses prior to this barricade.

When Babbitt got shot, there were other cops at the scene that were doing not much of anything to repel the mob. Babbitt got unlucky, she ran into a cop who was actually taking his duty seriously. There were plenty there that day that weren't interested in doing their jobs.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

To be fair, the mob was getting very mixed messages from the cops. It probably wasn't a totally unreasonable assumption that this cop would shuffle off once they kicked the door down, so many had readily given up lightly held defenses prior to this barricade.

When Babbitt got shot, there were other cops at the scene that were doing not much of anything to repel the mob. Babbitt got unlucky, she ran into a cop who was actually taking his duty seriously. There were plenty there that day that weren't interested in doing their jobs.

Those "other cops" you speak of arrived after or about the same time as the shot fired. Just before the other cops arrived the two cops blocking the door left their positions. Maybe Babbitt didn't turn around to see why those two outnumbered cops left.

And frankly just because no one stopped you at the other doors is not a reasonable excuse for one's stupidity to climb through a window (in the door) barricaded with armed men on the other side. Didn't those guys have their guns out already?

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Those "other cops" you speak of arrived after or about the same time as the shot fired. Just before the other cops arrived the two cops blocking the door left their positions. Maybe Babbitt didn't turn around to see why those two outnumbered cops left.

And frankly just because no one stopped you at the other doors is not a reasonable excuse for one's stupidity to climb through a window (in the door) barricaded with armed men on the other side. Didn't those guys have their guns out already?

The snuff film of Babbitt shows a couple cops standing up on the wall next to the door not really doing much. There doesn't seem to be much of a police response until after the shot is fired, and a team of other cops with rifles is seen coming up the stairs to clear the mostly already retreated crowd. Maybe they were waiting for this more heavily armed team, but they didnt arrive until Babbitt had already been escorted to the Forever Box.

I'm not offering this as an excuse, it's just context for why someone like Babbitt might think there would be no meaningful resistance to their violent intrusion. She was smashing a door open within arms distance of two cops who were acting like nervous wallflowers at a middle school dance rather than trying to stop them.

Maybe she didn't notice the guy with the glock on the other side. It's hard to imagine misinterpreting the meaning of a gun pointed in your face, but here we are.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Special treat! Sovcit going pro se in her J6 case.

Capitol riot suspect Pauline Bauer, who had a quite an outburst last time she appeared in court, is now back.
The judge noted she's representing herself--which she denied.
"I am not pro se," Bauer said, "I am here in a divine special appearance."
She's a sovereign citizen.

https://twitter.com/alanfeuer/status/1407027589630332937

managed to BS her way into custody during a routine pre-trial hearing.

Bauer is now saying she will not speak to pre-trial services period.
"Ms. Bauer you're leaving me no choice," Judge Faruqui says. "The only thing I can do is hold you in contempt."

...

Judge Faruqui is suggesting she get through this hearing and take up any objections with the district judge who will inherit her case. He's trying.
Bauer gives him the silent treatment, no response.
Long pause...
Remanded back to custody.
Twice in one day.

 

[jimbob]

Agreed - the Oath Keepers, as I recall, already have a bunch of spinoffs that are highly questionable, but didn't think a direct attack on Congress was a smart idea (which, I mean...). I'm mostly interested in whether or not the Proud Boys will end up as a2+ street gangs that mostly war with one anothe, like the Bloods and Crips, or if they just kinda fade off with people hiding their ugly shirts and stupid tattoos.

And videos of them performing sex acts on themselves in an attempt to somehow own the libs?

 

[ponderingturtle]

And videos of them performing sex acts on themselves in an attempt to somehow own the libs?

Is that related to the frankly confusing T-Shirt that states that they lubricate their AR-15 with liberal ejeculate?

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Don't stop believing baby

According to his lawyer, Capitol rioter Doug Jensen was so convinced that the Q-Anon "storm" was coming that when the FBI interviewed him after J6, he asked the agents if "the arrests had taken place yet."

https://twitter.com/alanfeuer/status/1407064638114648069

FBI going door to door to let everyone know that Hillary got executed at Gitmo.

 

[jimbob]

Is that related to the frankly confusing T-Shirt that states that they lubricate their AR-15 with liberal ejeculate?

No
Mildly
[NSFW]

One of the senior Proud Boys sticking a dildo up himself - which some how showed the libs something

[/NSFW]

 

[MRC_Hans]

To be fair, the mob was getting very mixed messages from the cops. It probably wasn't a totally unreasonable assumption that this cop would shuffle off once they kicked the door down, so many had readily given up lightly held defenses prior to this barricade.

When Babbitt got shot, there were other cops at the scene that were doing not much of anything to repel the mob. Babbitt got unlucky, she ran into a cop who was actually taking his duty seriously. There were plenty there that day that weren't interested in doing their jobs.

Yes, they were two, and unarmed. They backed off as armed reinforcements arrived. If Babbitt had done that, too, she would have been alive now.

Hans

 

[MRC_Hans]

The snuff film of Babbitt shows a couple cops standing up on the wall next to the door not really doing much. There doesn't seem to be much of a police response until after the shot is fired, and a team of other cops with rifles is seen coming up the stairs to clear the mostly already retreated crowd. Maybe they were waiting for this more heavily armed team, but they didnt arrive until Babbitt had already been escorted to the Forever Box.

I'm not offering this as an excuse, it's just context for why someone like Babbitt might think there would be no meaningful resistance to their violent intrusion. She was smashing a door open within arms distance of two cops who were acting like nervous wallflowers at a middle school dance rather than trying to stop them.

Maybe she didn't notice the guy with the glock on the other side. It's hard to imagine misinterpreting the meaning of a gun pointed in your face, but here we are.

Get real. This was the USA. She was in a violent riot. The only reason she might have to not expect getting shot was being white, but, hey, who will notice in the heat of the moment?

Hans

 

[newyorkguy]

More on Thomas Webster, the retired New York City cop who is in jail charged with assaulting a Capitol cop. Webster says, the other cops started it. Seriously.

 

[quadraginta]

Did they say anything about the criteria that allowed them to be hired? What aren't the managers doing that they should be doing?

Their jobs?

Of course, that just helps them fit in better.

Protective coloration if nothing else.

 

[Belz...]

More on Thomas Webster, the retired New York City cop who is in jail charged with assaulting a Capitol cop. Webster says, the other cops started it. Seriously.

Oh, well if he only attacked a cop because he was angry, I guess that's ok.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

The snuff film of Babbitt shows a couple cops standing up on the wall next to the door not really doing much. There doesn't seem to be much of a police response until after the shot is fired, and a team of other cops with rifles is seen coming up the stairs to clear the mostly already retreated crowd. Maybe they were waiting for this more heavily armed team, but they didnt arrive until Babbitt had already been escorted to the Forever Box.

I'm not offering this as an excuse, it's just context for why someone like Babbitt might think there would be no meaningful resistance to their violent intrusion. She was smashing a door open within arms distance of two cops who were acting like nervous wallflowers at a middle school dance rather than trying to stop them.

Maybe she didn't notice the guy with the glock on the other side. It's hard to imagine misinterpreting the meaning of a gun pointed in your face, but here we are.

They had just arrived. The ones you see were the first up the stairs where the others were in single file right behind them. Upon their arrival the two cops at the door got out of the way.

It is too bad in that in about one minute more the cops might have been able to get the mob away from the door and Babbitt would have not climbed through the window.

 

[newyorkguy]

In an uncensored version, Webster can be heard shouting, "Attack America?" (presumably a reference to 'The Steal').

One clarification. Apparently what Webster was saying was, "Attacking Americans?" Meaning the Capitol cops were interfering with Americans' Constitutional and God-given right to overthrow their government.

 

[smartcooky]

Here is Frank Figliuzzi on Tucker Carldon's bat-**** crazy story alleging that "unindicted co-conspirators" means FBI agents

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/why-tucker-carlson-blaming-fbi-capitol-riot-n1271533

Interstingly, he also give a reason why he thinks this has started, and why it has been picked up so quickly by certain members of Congress.

"So why would far-right media and members of Congress push such a clearly off-the-wall conspiracy? Well, let’s look at another news story that emerged last week. On Friday, MSNBC reported that it was able to obtain, through the Freedom of Information Act, the report of an FBI interview of a suspected participant in the Jan. 6 violence. Notably, as reported by NBC Washington News4 investigative reporter Scott MacFarlane, the subject — Thomas Webster, a retired NYPD officer and former Marine — was asked whether he had any connection to any member of Congress or congressional staffer.” That simple question provides us the answer as to why the far-right has strategically shifted its Jan. 6 blame game.

As I noted last Friday night on "The 11th Hour" with Brian Williams, members of Congress may have become aware that the FBI is pursuing the root cause of the Jan. 6 riot — and that root may reach to Capitol Hill or those in Trump’s orbit. To the extent that certain members of Congress or aides to Trump may be criminally exposed for any possible role they played in aiding and abetting violence, they would have every reason to begin attacking the investigators: “Of course the FBI will blame us — the agency is simply trying to deflect attention away from its own role in the riot.” It’s a tactic right out of the Trump playbook."​

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Here is Frank Figliuzzi on Tucker Carldon's bat-**** crazy story alleging that "unindicted co-conspirators" means FBI agents

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/why-tucker-carlson-blaming-fbi-capitol-riot-n1271533

Interstingly, he also give a reason why he thinks this has started, and why it has been picked up so quickly by certain members of Congress.

"So why would far-right media and members of Congress push such a clearly off-the-wall conspiracy? Well, let’s look at another news story that emerged last week. On Friday, MSNBC reported that it was able to obtain, through the Freedom of Information Act, the report of an FBI interview of a suspected participant in the Jan. 6 violence. Notably, as reported by NBC Washington News4 investigative reporter Scott MacFarlane, the subject — Thomas Webster, a retired NYPD officer and former Marine — was asked whether he had any connection to any member of Congress or congressional staffer.” That simple question provides us the answer as to why the far-right has strategically shifted its Jan. 6 blame game.

As I noted last Friday night on "The 11th Hour" with Brian Williams, members of Congress may have become aware that the FBI is pursuing the root cause of the Jan. 6 riot — and that root may reach to Capitol Hill or those in Trump’s orbit. To the extent that certain members of Congress or aides to Trump may be criminally exposed for any possible role they played in aiding and abetting violence, they would have every reason to begin attacking the investigators: “Of course the FBI will blame us — the agency is simply trying to deflect attention away from its own role in the riot.” It’s a tactic right out of the Trump playbook."​

Every once in a while something runs on White Power Hour that really reminds me how much contempt Carlson has for his audience.

He's not a stupid man. He knows this is total BS, but also knows that the hogs that watch his show will gulp this down without question. He really is the master of playing the dumb guy's idea of a smart guy.

 

[Armitage72]

Every once in a while something runs on White Power Hour that really reminds me how much contempt Carlson has for his audience.

He's not a stupid man. He knows this is total BS, but also knows that the hogs that watch his show will gulp this down without question. He really is the master of playing the dumb guy's idea of a smart guy.

Someone on another forum linked to one of the various YouTube videos about Louie Gohmert repeating the FBI conspiracy theory, with a warning about the comments that had been posted. I briefly skimmed them, and nearly all of them were things like "The videos showed some of the police letting people in past barriers. That proves that the authorities were organizing it."