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This is the craziest thread I've ever been in: some Internet nutter has just accused baby Vladimir Putin of being behind the MK Ultra experiments.
 
This is the craziest thread I've ever been in: some Internet nutter has just accused baby Vladimir Putin of being behind the MK Ultra experiments.

...he left off that they were trans-dimensional & sideways time travel MK Ultra experiments...
 
Something "interesting" about that MK-Ultra documentary is those idiotic "psychologists" defending torture then and later after the atrocities committed to people as part of those "programs" were revealed, to the extent of mocking their victims and they do such things with impunity because they are protected by USG. Even though they knew there was absolutely nothing scientific in what they were doing, psychology.
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Here is another great, short documentary from one of my favorite authors/Anthropologists in the U.S.

// __ CIA search for mind control with Stephen Kinzer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msFY95Hjf0g
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I wonder about to which extent Kinzer knows that as stated on the very wikipedia page MK-Ultra was never phased out.
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Age of Fear? The Scientology propaganda nonsense? That's hilarious.

that was exactly my girlfriend's first reaction when I told her about that documentary, but believe me all they say is true. If you have specific doubts about it I could clarify them to you.

Not because Obama, Trump, or Giuliani say something that makes it automatically untrue, but I would never expect a full documentary made by politicians, lawyers, psychologists, scientologists, ... to be true to matters until I watched that documentary. They say there are always exceptions to rules.

Something that I love about Germany is that thing called „deutsche Sachlichkeit“. It is hard to explain that concept to "alternate facts" gringos, who would even deny now that they won WWII, the cold war, star wars, ... to me that would be like denying Nazism. I have taken the time to study German history. I am fascinated by its hellishness, its eccentricity, its collective Hegelian dimension (which I find crazy and a bit scary, but I still find interesting), the brave honesty with which they own their own history. Go to a German museum and you will see what I mean. In the U.S. museums are Disney franchises, because gringos don’t have a history as a people that is why they need Hollywood so much to pad up somewhat their collective consciousness.
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The obvious hatred of the scientific study of human behavior is only strengthening my suspicions.

Well, you have spent time studying "psychology", so you would be able to have suspicions and all kinds of ideations about any thing ... You could as well have said you had voodoo classes in college.

As you could inform yourself by reading a bit about Foucault's work, "psychology" is a Western, modern invention which partially has its roots in the spiritual abuses, exploitation and repression by the Catholic Church, that is why modern day scientists of consciousness don't want to be associated with such nonsense. Freud was the greatest pseudo-scientific charlatan that ever existed. He himself explained the roots of his ideas, which nowadays scientists find preposterous. Psychologists even mercilessly make fun of themselves. I have never seen anything like that in other areas of study. "Psychology" and MBA are favorite topics of study by gringos, as I discovered, they don't tell them about the Rosenhan experiment in "psychology" classes:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosenhan_experiment

In fact the attempt has been made to make illegal telling people about the Rosenhan experiment!

So MKUltra was authorized by Putin when he was a year old?
This is the craziest thread I've ever been in: some Internet nutter has just accused baby Vladimir Putin of being behind the MK Ultra experiments.

So, now are you denying also that MK Ultra was thought out, implemented and carried out under the supervision of Vladimir Putin?
 
Some of the truly hilarious aspects of the Rosenhan experiment was that while they performed their theatrics the psychologists posing as impostors had a hard time keeping a straight face because the actual inmates in all cases/clinics told their bluff off. So, the inmates themselves could tell they were actually not mentally ill, but "psychologists" couldn't!!! ;-)
 
For gringos history is: "look at that shopping mall we built there!"

For some of us it means knowing that Vladimir Putin was about a year old when MKUltra was started, and that he wasn't even out of school, let alone a member of the KGB, when it ended.

And then there's the fact that the idea of a fairly low level KGB operative working in the DDR being the boss of a CIA science fair project is about as ridiculous as saying that Ruholla Khomeini was secretly behind the League of Women Voters.

You're certainly entertaining.
 
... Vladimir Putin was about a year old when MKUltra was started, and that he wasn't even out of school, let alone a member of the KGB, when it ended.
And then there's the fact that the idea of a fairly low level KGB operative working in the DDR ...

Once again, he was and still is in charge of MKULTRA. I am amazed you didn't know that!

For gringos history is: "look at that shopping mall we built there!"
visit a German museum you will see what I mean, then try to understand the Hegelian definition of history (I doubt "'psychology' classes" will be helpful with that, but try anyway). As a colleague who is a history teacher told me once: "..., but what are you going to teach as U.S. History?" (he meant that all 'we' (he was a nice guy) have done is genocidally abusing people in the name of "freedom loving", "democracy", ...)
 
This is the craziest thread I've ever been in: some Internet nutter has just accused baby Vladimir Putin of being behind the MK Ultra experiments.

Really? some twonk could have accused the aliens on Mars of plotting to invade planet banana.. Nobody would rightly be able to tell among that incoherent mess.
 
Once again, he was and still is in charge of MKULTRA. I am amazed you didn't know that!
Wheeee nostalgia trip to the sixties, a time when Lopez was a mere twinkle in his mothers eye.


visit a German museum you will see what I mean,
I have done so. Brought my kids too five or six times. How do I know that you had no point to make?

then try to understand the Hegelian definition of history (I doubt "'psychology' classes" will be helpful with that, but try anyway).
Hegelian dialog. Which means spotty teen convinced they are right about everything. Rack off. My formative teen tears are decades in the past. Plenty of thing are regrettable, everyone has done foolish things. Your problem is that for any job application you may go for, every employer will google you. What do you think they might discover ? Due diligence means that any prospective employer will walk away from a toxic potential employee that they know in advance is trouble.

Back away, not today. disco lady.

As a colleague who is a history teacher told me once: "..., but
what are you going to teach as U.S. History?" (he meant that all 'we' (he was a nice guy) have done is genocidally abusing people in the name of "freedom loving", "democracy", ...)
Some bloke told you what you should think?

Hilarious You accuse everyone of being mere sheep and promptly demonstrate that you are a sheep.

Baa, trump. Baa. August, Baa relection. None of it has happened. None of it has the remotist chance of happening
 
Some bloke told you what you should think?

No, as it is the case with you and most "skeptical" gringos that flock here, they are incredibly naive about their "freedom loving" history. Many are even oblivious to it all. Some good people in the U.S. whom I ended up making friends with, didn't even know/"understand" "what I was talking about". That guy and I knew each other well and he didn't always agree with my views.

I also had colleagues who were U.S. History teachers that told me: "if you go to the U.S. war with Vietnam museum" (whatever the name of that Disney franchise is) you will be able to read about how -some U.S. troops- were infected with Napalm". Now I have to be very explicit, because some of you may not see their point and mine. I mean that they don't include in their museums how they were indiscriminately bombing with Napalm North Vietnam, but how their own troops were infected while "defending freedom in the universe" ... and all that gringo crap.


visit a German museum you will see what I mean
I have done so. Brought my kids too five or six times. How do I know that you had no point to make?

Well, it makes the situation somewhat hopeful and me happy to see that your children get some benefits from "your job".

I think it was Woody Allen the one that said that: "80% of success is showing up" and I wonder about the measurable part of his one liner, but he should know about "success" and "showing up" since he spoused his own daughter.

In order to complete the experience, you should take your children to the Indian Museum in Indianapolis/U.S.A. and, most probably you will not see what I mean because you can't provided you see/perceive anything at all, but your kids may find it a bit different.

For those of you interested in U.S. History, my intention is not spoiling it for you, but you will see among many other interesting historical exhibits, how "patriotic" Native Americans were and how human and morally grounded USG ist so much so that in the 1940s they legally granted Native Americans the right to become U.S. citizens during WWII so that "they could fight for their country" ... You will feel many times like laughing out loud, if you are able to walk out of it without having done so, you are a good citizen. This is what I mean when I say that U.S. museums are Disney franchises. I thought I was able to notice such things because I know well the U.S. and Germany, but I have heard of gringos who didn’t know **** about Germany who were floored when they visited a museum in Germany.
 
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No rlopez, it isn't true. Age of Fear is a shoddily put together crapfest of garbage. They do say some things in it that are true regarding antiquated "treatment" that is no longer used, but the attempt to smear a profession that helps hundreds of thousands to this day, myself included, is just scaremongering propaganda and lies. the CoS are scumbags and liars. Screw them.
 
You astound me.

Yep. My best friend is is black/blue/green/gay/lesbian/<insert buzzword here>.

It really matters not a whit which label one wishes to lick and slap onto the forehead of the unsuspecting, it always says the same thing. "Not the same as ME"

The words and/or letters might be different, but the meaning is always the same.
 

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