Cont: The Trump Presidency: Part 27

[Stacyhs]

Can I ask an ignorant foreigner not knowing things enough question?

Why does anyone still give a ****

He is not the president any more about
Why do you care

a) What Trump says
b) Whether he is banned from FB
c) Trump himself

The bloke is gone.

If anything, all you are doing in your media is stroking his ego and giving him giggles

This would indicate otherwise:

Because while nearly half of GOP voters indicated they'd vote for Trump in a 2024 Republican primary, none of the other high profile Republicans even cracked 15%. In fact, the next most popular potential GOP candidate is former Vice President Mike Pence, a man whose obsequiousness to Trump only delivered a lynch mob and a disavowal from his former boss. According to the poll, Pence has just a 13% share of GOP voter support.

Incredibly, everyone else listed in the poll scored dramatically worse than Pence. The third highest theoretical candidate, Donald Trump Jr., scored just 8%, which is better than Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, who landed at 7%.

https://www.mic.com/p/gop-voters-apparently-only-want-trump-as-president-79276496

 

[Stacyhs]

I get it. Let me rephrase that. Pence is not popular with the GOP and less popular with Democrats.

No, Pence is not popular with the Repubs:

Because while nearly half of GOP voters indicated they'd vote for Trump in a 2024 Republican primary, none of the other high profile Republicans even cracked 15%. In fact, the next most popular potential GOP candidate is former Vice President Mike Pence, a man whose obsequiousness to Trump only delivered a lynch mob and a disavowal from his former boss. According to the poll, Pence has just a 13% share of GOP voter support.

https://www.mic.com/p/gop-voters-apparently-only-want-trump-as-president-79276496

If you take Trump out of the running, that would seem to make Pence the first choice. But I suspect he's only second with 13% because of those Republicans who have already rejected Trump but like Pence's Fundamentalism and otherwise conservative views. Additionally, I don't see Trump endorsing Pence after his failure on Jan. 6 to do what Trump demanded. That would torpedo Pence's chances right there with the MAGA idiots.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

FB has changed its policy regarding suspensions for politicians:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/04/tech/facebook-politicians/index.html

... Clegg framed the two-year suspension, which came after Trump supporters stormed the Capitol building, as "long enough to allow a safe period of time after the acts of incitement, to be significant enough to be a deterrent to Mr. Trump and others from committing such severe violations in future, and to be proportionate to the gravity of the violation itself."...

"I think he's learned his lesson" comes to mind.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

If that's true, he is a moron. He is hated by the Trump base and most people see him as gutless. He has zero chance of being POTUS.

Given he claimed to be proud of what he accomplished in 4 years, he is a moron.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Who at this moment has more power in the Republican party than former president trump? How did the 'more powerful' get their fingers burned? trump got 63 million votes in the 2016 election. In 2020, his total was 74 million. What does that tell us?

McConnell, Graham, Cruz, et al, did all in their power to prevent trump from winning the Republican Party's nomination in 2016. They made it clear they abhorred him and considered him totally unfit to be president. Yet they failed to stop him. None of the traditional Republican leaders have the same rank-and-file support as does trump. Not even close.

It needs to be recognized. The Republican leadership tried to stop trump and they failed. Five years later it's undoubtedly gotten harder to stop him not easier.

I agree we can't underestimate the Dump threat, but I doubt 74 million people would vote for him today and as for leading the GOP, keep in mind all the people who left the GOP are not counted in the totals.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Re: value of condos in Trump tower dropping...It may not matter in the short term for that particular property, but it could have secondary effects...

If units in Trump towers fall, he will have trouble with any new construction projects (why construct a new trump property if you think you may have trouble selling the units initially at a high price), as well as potential licensing of the name to non-trump owned properties.

Long term, if units in his building are seen as "cheap", they may not be able to charge higher condo fees.

And the value of his name on buildings or any other product will go down.

 

[Stacyhs]

I agree we can't underestimate the Trump threat, but I doubt 74 million people would vote for him today and as for leading the GOP, keep in mind all the people who left the GOP are not counted in the totals.

True:

In the week from Jan. 6 through Jan. 12, about 4,600 Republicans changed their party status in Colorado, according to a CPR News analysis. There was no comparable effect with any other party. CPR News was able to contact dozens of them by tracking changes in the state's voter file.

The number of people changing parties spiked immediately after the Capitol breach. The same phenomenon is playing out nationwide. News outlets documented about 6,000 defections from the party in North Carolina, 10,000 in Pennsylvania and 5,000 in Arizona.
In Colorado, only a small fraction of the defectors made the same dramatic leap as Darrah did in choosing to join the Democratic Party. Some went to conservative third parties. But the vast majority — about 4,200 people — switched from Republican to unaffiliated status, accelerating a trend that has affected both parties in Colorado in recent years.

And then we have the Crazies:

Other newly former Republicans had the opposite reaction: They cut ties with the party because they felt its leaders had abandoned Trump by blaming him for the riot and refusing to overturn the election.

"I quickly realized that I would probably never vote for another Republican again. They have let America down," said Cara Samantha Toney, a 45-year-old mother of three who switched from Republican to Libertarian and lives in Jefferson County, a suburb of Denver.

Phil Trubia, a 52-year-old Mesa County voter, made a similar move to the American Constitution Party. He sees himself continuing to vote for Trump loyalists like Rep. Lauren Boebert, but not for mainstream Republicans.

"I do feel there is a split," Trubia said. "I'm not necessarily doing it to hurt the Republican Party, but the way they turned their backs completely on Trump, that kind of got me really upset."

"Part of me wants to think about all the preppers and people who are battening down the hatches at home and say, 'Well, they're coming to take our guns, take our rights — and be fearful,' " said Karen Trubia, who joined the Constitution Party with her husband, Phil.

In rural Weld County, 44-year-old Sara Ocker switched from Republican to unaffiliated and doesn't expect to vote again anytime soon, because she doesn't believe the elections are run fairly.

"It feels like we're living in the upside-down world," she said. Ocker feels that "RINOs" — Republicans in name only — betrayed the president and wrongly blamed him for the riots. She added that it was impossible that any Trump supporter could have committed violence that day.

"We've all been living a lie and been told a lie," she said.

She hasn't spoken with her parents, who are Biden supporters, since the election. They see her as a QAnon conspiracy theorist, she said, but she thinks of herself as a skeptic who does her own research. Now, she fears a civil war — or, at the least, a generation-long rebuilding of conservative politics.

https://www.npr.org/2021/02/01/9622...iot-thousands-of-republicans-drop-their-party

Sara Ocker reminds me of some ISF members who "do their own research" on such sites as Gateway Pundit.

 

[Belz...]

Relax. You can see where cullenz is coming from -- literally. Inhabitants of small countries like to disparage big countries, especially the US. Injured vanity always takes that form.

And NZ is also an archipelago, and can hug itself close in a great blue emptiness, as if it's inhabitants had invented insularity. They might as well have; they haven't invented much of anything else.

And I wouldn't have it any other way. If insignificance will preserve that last great wonderful, unearthly place, then it's a small price to pay for beauty.

Wow, that velvet glove must hurt more than any insult I could have thrown at him.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Even if he were to run, and win, and become the Speaker, could you imagine this guy, who spent the majority of his days as "president" in "executive time" watching TV, actually doing any of the work needed to start, let alone run, an actual committee to do anything?

The entire process would be nothing more than Trump and the 5 other most deranged Republicans showing up on TV and whining about every crazy CT under the sun.

It'd be The Caine Mutiny on Steroids.

I don't think he would do that work and no one who voted him into McCarthy's position would care.

The biggest factor that matters is the Democrats would need to lose the House*. And if it was clear they will retain the majority, Dump will make excuses not to run.

*And for Dump's fantasy they'd have to lose the Senate as well.

Unless he'd run just to get a news stage and collect donations.

And donations if he is running would risk more legal troubles if he siphons the money off. That's not a huge risk though because he no doubt learned from people like Gingrich who lives off campaign donations, you just set up a company and pay yourself for campaign work.

But herein lies another matter, he might be in jail by 2022. I know, wishful thinking. But maybe said court issues will keep him occupied and get him plenty of leading news stories which he craves.

 

[bruto]

Given he claimed to be proud of what he accomplished in 4 years, he is a moron.

Speaking on behalf of my stepson, who lived in Indiana for a while, I will suggest that your remark is insulting to morons.

 

[TheSupermeerkat]

Given he claimed to be proud of what he accomplished in 4 years, he is a moron.

He's hardly likely to admit to having dove a **** job. No president would.

 

[sackett]

No, by god!

Wow, that velvet glove must hurt more than any insult I could have thrown at him.

I never meant to insult anybody, but only to mention something I've observed as a long-lived American. (Plenty of Russians, Indians, and Chinese have observed it too, I dessay.) NZ reminds me rather of my native Wyoming: remote, thinly peopled, popular with tourists who learn little and then vanish, outrageously beautiful, terrible at times, and best left alone.

Also, I find NZ public opinion, like Wyoming's, smug, ingrown, and provincial. It could hardly be otherwise.

On 'tother hand, En Zedders can give me aces and picture cards when it comes to snark. So there's that difference, God love 'em.

As for the current reality of Trumpism and the dangers it presents, let's all apply ourselves to the American endeavor: the continuing endeavor, I would call it. Let's remember that America is a great part of the whole world. Too much is at stake to believe otherwise.

I think that every man of good will is already an American; I think that includes grouchy old cullenz, god bless his dirty soul. (Mine's dirtier. Anybody don't like that can smell my shoes.)

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

He's hardly likely to admit to having dove a **** job. No president would.

Considering it already sounded like a campaign speech, I suppose if one is talking to people who support Dump, then it's a moot point if it were factual or not.

 

[Stacyhs]

Trump spoke in N. Carolina tonight. During his speech, he spoke about how they had get Republicans elected in 2022 and they had "to get it done":

"We have no choice really, we have to get it done. We're going to defund our freedoms. Just take a look at what's happening."

Freudian slip there, Donnie?

 

[acbytesla]

Unbelievable. Trump isn't POTUS and yet there has been 28 posts in his thread since I posted in Biden's thread this morning. And not a single post in Bidens.

 

[Stacyhs]

Unbelievable. Trump isn't POTUS and yet there has been 28 posts in his thread since I posted in Biden's thread this morning. And not a single post in Bidens.

That's because Biden doesn't say and do the stupid and outrageous things that Trump does yet he has almost as much influence considering he controls the Republican party.

 

[acbytesla]

That's because Biden doesn't say and do the stupid and outrageous things that Trump does yet he has almost as much influence considering he controls the Republican party.

I know why. But you have to admit before Trump this would be unheard of. Trump should be irrelevant.

 

[Stacyhs]

I know why. But you have to admit before Trump this would be unheard of. Trump should be irrelevant.

How many ex-POTUSes who were ◊◊◊◊◊◊* crazy still had the kind of control over their party that Trump has? He should be irrelevant but he's not because he still controls the GOP. We've never had a situation like this before and, god I hope, we never will again.

 

[acbytesla]

Here's an example of just how insanely racist Republicans have become.

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

Trump vows revenge on Facebook’s Zuckerberg when he’s ‘back in the White House’

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...rump-2024-election-facebook-ban-b1860013.html

Nothing unhinged about that. So presidential.

That's two years. Do you want to go for three? You're mine, Donald. For two years I gotcha. Don't mess with the bull, or you'll get the horns.