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Being a racist while having a soft skull

This post is just for you as everyone else seems to understand what I have said.

Reality is not a popularity contest.

But again to make you personally feel better.

I'm not the one who insists on using that term.

All good. I am whatever you think I am in your head.

I don't think anything. I just see the words you insist on using. Your actions speak for you.
 
Since his sexual encounters were with men over the age of 16 (according to this article) his relationships would be legal in the UK and NZ. He would not be a 'pedo'. If he was filming for commercial purposes then it would be a crime as participating in pornography has an age of consent of 18. It does not appear from the description that the filming was covert nor commercial. In Florida age of consent is 18 so he clearly committed a criminal act in Florida. But posters from NZ or UK should be aware that what he did does not sound like it would be a crime in their home nation (excluding NI?).

It sounds like the deceased was gay. If the killer had used a word such as 'faggot' would this turn what happened into a hate crime? Even gay men deserve justice.

As the article says the correct place to take into account the level of provocation is the trial.

Irrelevant.

The sick piece of **** livesd in the US and the law there says he was a pedo.
 
Irrelevant.

The sick piece of **** livesd in the US and the law there says he was a pedo.

When he was charged with his sex crimes, he was 63, and he raped a 16/17 year old. Even here, he would be regarded as a sex offender.

Planigale's apologetics for this vile POS is disgusting... and creepy TBH.
 
When he was charged with his sex crimes, he was 63, and he raped a 16/17 year old. Even here, he would be regarded as a sex offender.

Planigale's apologetics for this vile POS is disgusting... and creepy TBH.

It was from what I read statutary rape, because the victim was under the age of consent, the point I was making was that having sex with someone over 16 but under 18 (male or female) would be rape in Florida, but not in NZ or UK. Certainly having sex with someone over 16 would not fit with most definitions of being a 'pedo'.

We have to recognise 'gay bashing' is a real phenomenon, for some men merely being gay is a provocation to violence. This thread is about what is a justifiable provocation to violence. I do not think it is unreasonable to raise the issue whether as you seem to imply being gay is a provocation to be considered a mitigation to violence or whether killing a gay man should be regarded as a hate crime.

There is a long track record of people associating gay men with being child molesters. Finding young post pubescent men or women attractive is not pedophilia. I think one needs to be careful that posts do not use homophobic tropes.
 
Not according to his criminal record

https://www.homefacts.com/offender-detail/FL61440/Vonelle-Cook.html

Offense/Statute: Abuse Of Child,eng Sex Perfm; F.s. 827.071(2)
Adjudication Date: 07 April 2008

Offense/Statute: Lewd, Lascivious Batt Sex W/victim 12-15 Years Old; F.s. 800.04(4)(a)
Adjudication Date: 07 April 2008

Offense/Statute: Poss Of Photo/picture Showing Sexual Performance By A Child; F.s. 827.071(5)
Adjudication Date: 07 April 2008

Offense/Statute: Sexual Performance By A Child(possess Photo Or Picture); F.s. 827.071(4)
Adjudication Date: 07 April 2008

Offense/Statute: Unlawful Sexual Activity With Certain Minors 16/17 Yr Old; F.s. 794.05(1)
Adjudication Date: 07 April 2008


ETA: And just to be clear, this is not a one-off 13 years ago

19 May 2006
893136A-DRUG2102 (FT) POSSESSION OF CANNABIS
893131A-DRUG2300 (FT) POSSESSION OF CANNABIS WITH INTENT TO SELL OR
893136A-DRUG1101 (FT) POSSESSION OF COCAINE
893147-DRUG8100 (MF) POSSESSION OF DRUG PARAPHERNALIA
8470112-LEWD5001 (MS) POSSESSION OF OBSCENE MATERIAL
8470112-LEWD5001 (MS) POSSESSION OF OBSCENE MATERIAL
827033B-CHAB2010 (FS) CHILD NEGLECT
827041-CHAB3002 (MF) CONTRIB TO DELINQUENCY OR DEPENDENCY OF CHILD
8470112-LEWD5001 (MS) POSSESSION OF OBSCENE MATER

21 June 2006
794051-RAPE8005 (FS) UNLAWFUL SEXUAL ACTIVITY WITH A MINOR
794051-RAPE8005 (FS) UNLAWFUL SEXUAL ACTIVITY WITH A MINOR
8270714-CHAB6050 (FS) POSSESSION OF PHOTOS DEPICT SEX WITH CHILD TO
8270715-CHAB6000 (FT) POSSESSION OF CHILD PORNOGRAPHY
8270712-CHAB6025 (FS) USE OF A CHILD IN A SEXUAL PERFORMANCE
8270712-CHAB6025 (FS) USE OF A CHILD IN A SEXUAL PERFORMANCE

28 September 2006
794051-RAPE8005 (FS) UNLAWFUL SEXUAL ACTIVITY WITH A MINOR
794051-RAPE8005 (FS) UNLAWFUL SEXUAL ACTIVITY WITH A MINOR
794051-RAPE8005 (FS) UNLAWFUL SEXUAL ACTIVITY WITH A MINOR
794051-RAPE8005 (FS) UNLAWFUL SEXUAL ACTIVITY WITH A MINOR
794051-RAPE8005 (FS) UNLAWFUL SEXUAL ACTIVITY WITH A MINOR
794051-RAPE8005 (FS) UNLAWFUL SEXUAL ACTIVITY WITH A MINOR
7940118B - RAPE5010 (FF) SEXUAL BATTERY FAMILIAL OR CUSTODIAL AUTHORITY
800044A-LEWD1450 (FS) LEWD OR LASCIVIOUS BATTERY (ENGAGE)
794051-RAPE8005 (FS) UNLAWFUL SEXUAL ACTIVITY WITH A MINOR
794051-RAPE8005 (FS) UNLAWFUL SEXUAL ACTIVITY WITH A MINOR

19 July 2007
8270712-CHAB6025 (FS) USE OF A CHILD IN A SEXUAL PERFORMANCE
794051-RAPE8005 (FS) UNLAWFUL SEXUAL ACTIVITY WITH A MINOR
794051-RAPE8005 (FS) UNLAWFUL SEXUAL ACTIVITY WITH A MINOR

6 August 2008
8270712-CHAB6025 (FS) USE OF A CHILD IN A SEXUAL PERFORMANCE
794051-RAPE8005 (FS) UNLAWFUL SEXUAL ACTIVITY WITH A MINOR
794051-RAPE8005 (FS) UNLAWFUL SEXUAL ACTIVITY WITH A MINOR

(Sorry about the all caps... its how it copy/pasted and I can't be bothered retyping it all)

This guy has a criminal record going back to 1993. he's been in front of the court 40 times in 27 years

Burglary
Rape
Statutory rape
Petty theft
Dealing in stolen property
Third degree grand theft
DUI (incl causing property damage)
DWSL
Possession of child pornography
Possession of obscene material
Drug and Paraphernalia possession

How the hell was he not in the slammer!!

Use the search
https://hover.hillsclerk.com/html/case/caseSearch.html

OK,

I agree the highlighted would be regarded as a crime in most jurisdictions.

I was basing my post on the article referenced, you have obviously looked into things in more detail.
 
"According to court records in Harris County, which encompasses Floyd’s hometown of Houston, authorities arrested him on nine separate occasions between 1997 and 2007, mostly on drug and theft charges that resulted in months-long jail sentences."

Not all the crimes resulted in prison time, but rather jail sentences; no evidence suggests a woman involved in the 2007 charge was pregnant;

https://www.snopes.com/news/2020/06/12/george-floyd-criminal-record/

Oh now you are fact checking right wing propaganda I see. They won't stand for that you know.
 
Not according to his criminal record

https://www.homefacts.com/offender-detail/FL61440/Vonelle-Cook.html

Offense/Statute: Abuse Of Child,eng Sex Perfm; F.s. 827.071(2)
Adjudication Date: 07 April 2008

Offense/Statute: Lewd, Lascivious Batt Sex W/victim 12-15 Years Old; F.s. 800.04(4)(a)
Adjudication Date: 07 April 2008

Offense/Statute: Poss Of Photo/picture Showing Sexual Performance By A Child; F.s. 827.071(5)
Adjudication Date: 07 April 2008

Offense/Statute: Sexual Performance By A Child(possess Photo Or Picture); F.s. 827.071(4)
Adjudication Date: 07 April 2008

Offense/Statute: Unlawful Sexual Activity With Certain Minors 16/17 Yr Old; F.s. 794.05(1)
Adjudication Date: 07 April 2008


ETA: And just to be clear, this is not a one-off 13 years ago

19 May 2006
893136A-DRUG2102 (FT) POSSESSION OF CANNABIS
893131A-DRUG2300 (FT) POSSESSION OF CANNABIS WITH INTENT TO SELL OR
893136A-DRUG1101 (FT) POSSESSION OF COCAINE
893147-DRUG8100 (MF) POSSESSION OF DRUG PARAPHERNALIA
8470112-LEWD5001 (MS) POSSESSION OF OBSCENE MATERIAL
8470112-LEWD5001 (MS) POSSESSION OF OBSCENE MATERIAL
827033B-CHAB2010 (FS) CHILD NEGLECT
827041-CHAB3002 (MF) CONTRIB TO DELINQUENCY OR DEPENDENCY OF CHILD
8470112-LEWD5001 (MS) POSSESSION OF OBSCENE MATER

21 June 2006
794051-RAPE8005 (FS) UNLAWFUL SEXUAL ACTIVITY WITH A MINOR
794051-RAPE8005 (FS) UNLAWFUL SEXUAL ACTIVITY WITH A MINOR
8270714-CHAB6050 (FS) POSSESSION OF PHOTOS DEPICT SEX WITH CHILD TO
8270715-CHAB6000 (FT) POSSESSION OF CHILD PORNOGRAPHY
8270712-CHAB6025 (FS) USE OF A CHILD IN A SEXUAL PERFORMANCE
8270712-CHAB6025 (FS) USE OF A CHILD IN A SEXUAL PERFORMANCE

28 September 2006
794051-RAPE8005 (FS) UNLAWFUL SEXUAL ACTIVITY WITH A MINOR
794051-RAPE8005 (FS) UNLAWFUL SEXUAL ACTIVITY WITH A MINOR
794051-RAPE8005 (FS) UNLAWFUL SEXUAL ACTIVITY WITH A MINOR
794051-RAPE8005 (FS) UNLAWFUL SEXUAL ACTIVITY WITH A MINOR
794051-RAPE8005 (FS) UNLAWFUL SEXUAL ACTIVITY WITH A MINOR
794051-RAPE8005 (FS) UNLAWFUL SEXUAL ACTIVITY WITH A MINOR
7940118B - RAPE5010 (FF) SEXUAL BATTERY FAMILIAL OR CUSTODIAL AUTHORITY
800044A-LEWD1450 (FS) LEWD OR LASCIVIOUS BATTERY (ENGAGE)
794051-RAPE8005 (FS) UNLAWFUL SEXUAL ACTIVITY WITH A MINOR
794051-RAPE8005 (FS) UNLAWFUL SEXUAL ACTIVITY WITH A MINOR

19 July 2007
8270712-CHAB6025 (FS) USE OF A CHILD IN A SEXUAL PERFORMANCE
794051-RAPE8005 (FS) UNLAWFUL SEXUAL ACTIVITY WITH A MINOR
794051-RAPE8005 (FS) UNLAWFUL SEXUAL ACTIVITY WITH A MINOR

6 August 2008
8270712-CHAB6025 (FS) USE OF A CHILD IN A SEXUAL PERFORMANCE
794051-RAPE8005 (FS) UNLAWFUL SEXUAL ACTIVITY WITH A MINOR
794051-RAPE8005 (FS) UNLAWFUL SEXUAL ACTIVITY WITH A MINOR

(Sorry about the all caps... its how it copy/pasted and I can't be bothered retyping it all)

This guy has a criminal record going back to 1993. he's been in front of the court 40 times in 27 years

Burglary
Rape
Statutory rape
Petty theft
Dealing in stolen property
Third degree grand theft
DUI (incl causing property damage)
DWSL
Possession of child pornography
Possession of obscene material
Drug and Paraphernalia possession

How the hell was he not in the slammer!!

Use the search
https://hover.hillsclerk.com/html/case/caseSearch.html

Lol this is exactly the kind of rap sheet that reactionaries dream about whenever a cop extrajudicially kills a member of the public.

Seems unambiguous that the thug here is the white career criminal and racist that got his melon thumped.
 
OK,

I agree the highlighted would be regarded as a crime in most jurisdictions.

I was basing my post on the article referenced, you have obviously looked into things in more detail.

I posted details of his crimes way back on page 17:

Repeatedly raping and taking advantage of underage boys as young as 12 it would appear. I confirmed that against the FDLE site.

So none of this is particularly new information to the thread.

If we can't even accept as fact that Cook called Pujols the n-word, then your whole tangent about how this would be a hate crime against a gay man would be ridiculous. There is absolutely nothing anywhere that says anything anti-gay was uttered. Chances are the staff had no idea.
 
2 years house arrest for the Beverage Boxer, the Donut Death-Dealer, and the Racism Remover.

A Florida Dunkin’ employee accused of fatally punching a customer who used a racial slur against him pleaded guilty to felony battery and was sentenced to two years of house arrest.

A Tampa judge on Monday also ordered Corey Pujols, 27, to complete 200 hours of community service and attend an anger management course.

Vonelle Cook was irate when he entered the Dunkin’ store last May and began yelling about customer service, police and prosecutors said. When Pujols, who is Black, asked him to leave, Cook called him a racial slur, and Pujols punched him.

Cook, 77, fell to the floor and knocked his head. He died three days later.

https://www.pennlive.com/crime/2022/03/dunkin-worker-sentenced-to-house-arrest-after-fatally-punching-irate-customer.html

Strikes me as strange they are requiring 200 hrs of community service. Pujols has already done his community a tremendous service.
 
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2 years house arrest for the Beverage Boxer, the Donut Death-Dealer, and the Racism Remover.



https://www.pennlive.com/crime/2022/03/dunkin-worker-sentenced-to-house-arrest-after-fatally-punching-irate-customer.html

Strikes me as strange they are requiring 200 hrs of community service. Pujols has already done his community a tremendous service.

200 hours is a lot of community service too. You're looking at 5 weeks if you're pulling 40 hours a week. He'll probably be doing community service on every day off he'll have for the next year.

That sucks, I feel bad for him. The house arrest is better than any prison\jail time though, so that's reasonable I think.

He seems like a good guy, hopefully things work out for him.
 
So, we are all in agreement then, the death of this pedo was no big loss?

Which more justifies his death...his prior criminal record, or that he called someone a name?
 
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So, we are all in agreement then, the death of this pedo was no big loss?

Which more justifies his death...his prior criminal record, or that he called someone a name?

Well yeah, you can relish that karma indirectly took care of what the justice system couldn't. But that doesn't mean the hommes here has a blank slate to be the Hammer of God, just kind of hoping that whoever he kills had it coming for previous crimes unknown.
 
So, we are all in agreement then, the death of this pedo was no big loss?

Which more justifies his death...his prior criminal record, or that he called someone a name?

Imagine that your trolling game becomes so terrible that you find yourself defending a pedophile.
 
No, Warp12 actually celebrated the death of that pedo. Without question or ambiguity.

It's the death of this pedo that is for some reason troubling and requires further examination.

Hard to know if this is because of the usual conservative hypocrisy, racism, or a change of heart regarding pedophilia. Perhaps it's a combination of all three.

As I have stated already, I don't support pedos. This guy or any other. Some people are selective about the ones that they support or mourn for; I am not one of those people. I am still interested though, to hear from the vocal crowd here, why this guy deserved to die:

1) His criminal history

or

2) For calling someone a name

It's an important distinction. So far, nobody has clarified their position on this matter, other than Thermal.
 
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My opinion: Either Pujols hit him deservedly, no punishment at all.

OR Pujols hit him without reasonable provocation, = manslaughter, = prison time.

Pedophilia had not a g-d thing to do with this case.
 
As I have stated already, I don't support pedos. This guy or any other. Some people are selective about the ones that they support or mourn for; I am not one of those people. I am still interested though, to hear from the vocal crowd here, why this guy deserved to die:

1) His criminal history

or

2) For calling someone a name

It's an important distinction. So far, nobody has clarified their position on this matter, other than Thermal.

Introspection that you had no interest exploring when it was a white kid who killed a pedo. You couldn't dance on that guy's grave hard enough. Now suddenly you're asking for some kind moral examination from which you conveniently exempt yourself.

And it's very telling that you keep sanitizing what this guy did by referring to it as his "criminal history". Pretty much every time you posted about Rosenbaum you made some kind of graphic reference to his pedophilia. You relished it and did it at every opportunity.

But in the case of this pedo, no graphic references to his pedophilia, let alone repeatedly. Just his "criminal history".

Why is it that you pull your punches for a pedo killed by a black kid?

Why does this pedo merit that respect from you?
 

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