Cont: The Trump Presidency: Part 27

[Skeptic Ginger]

We'll see if the tape ever comes out. Yet none of those minority crew members have come forward even anonymously and claimed they heard Trump use the N-word. You'd think during his first run in 2015-16, at least one or two would have. But, nope.

Omarosa claims to have heard the tape, not to have heard Trump say it herself. As I said earlier, she is not very credible and she was hawking her book. If "it’s literally how he refers to black people all the time," then why aren't there several other, credible people reporting this "all the time" use? There simply aren't. There are Omarosa and Tom Arnold who, as I said earlier, both had financial interests in stirring up interest with her book and his TV show. Mary T is the only credible person and she said she heard him use it years ago within the family. Who else? Noel Casler? He's pretty much only known for going on podcasts and talking about Trump. So I ask again: in this world where something like this would be big news, where are all the people who worked closely with Trump who have turned against him saying he used the N-word which he "literally uses all the time"? I'd love for it to be true. I'd love for a tape showing him doing so to be made public. But the evidence so far just doesn't back it up. I'll be happy to admit I'm wrong if it ever comes out. Like I said, I'm not saying he's NEVER used it, but I just don't think it's a word he uses often.

I never said you were wrong. I think you have a valid point. I was just making it clear I was paraphrasing what I had read and I was not the source of the claim. IOW 'people are saying'.

 

[Stacyhs]

I never said you were wrong. I think you have a valid point. I was just making it clear I was paraphrasing what I had read and I was not the source of the claim. IOW 'people are saying'.

It such a tape comes out, I'll buy the champagne!

 

[Norman Alexander]

"Sorta getting the drift" is still arguing from a point of ignorance. You cannot discuss their relationship when you have not read the book. It's as simple as that but you just can't or won't admit it. You'd rather die on Mount I Can't Admit I'm Wrong.

Of course I can admit when I'm wrong! Search back through Donny's video of his whole life and prove he never used the N-word, and I will gladly admit this. Even when referring to the Black residents of his apartments that he engineered out, with his father's help.

"It was close, intimate and essential to the king and involving a singular view of his inner workings"

By Jove, I think you've got it! Which is why Trump would have been more relaxed around Cohen and would have been more likely to have used the N-word if that had been part of his normal vocabulary.

Uh, no that's not what I meant. The opposite, actually. Cohen was his lawyer, Donny knew that much at least. Donny saw Cohen as a means to an end for himself: Fending off legal and quasi-legal challenges. And I suspect Donny would have even been somewhat guarded about what he told Cohen, for fear that Cohen might rat him out, etc.

"But it was certainly not one of confidence or friendship."

I never said it was one of friendship. You are the one who repeatedly keeps making that mistake. I said you were conflating confidant with friend. I've explained the difference several times now but you don't seem to comprehend. Trump took Cohen into his confidence on many matters both personal and business, not as a friend, but as his personal lawyer. I don't know how I can make that any more clear.

Now YOU are getting it. Cohen did indeed have an intimate acquaintance with Donny's legal issues and what Donny what done with certain people he had crossed or wanted to frighten, etc. But since Cohen wasn't a friend, there's no way he would have heard even half of what Donny said to other people in private. He was NOT a genuine confidant, just the wiper of a fat orange ass because Lardass Two-Stubs couldn't reach himself.

 

[MRC_Hans]

Trump would win if enough people hated his opponent more than they hate him.

That was basically the way he lost in 2020.

Hans

 

[Regnad Kcin]

It such a tape comes out, I'll buy the champagne!

If such a tape comes out, all 74 million Trump supporters will claim, and be content to believe, it’s a deep fake.

 

[Aridas]

If such a tape comes out, all 74 million Trump supporters will claim, and be content to believe, it’s a deep fake.

Lies. A huge chunk of them will just take it as him "telling it like it is" and otherwise cheering on Trump not being "politically correct."

 

[Solitaire]

Justice DeptArtment Asks Judge To Toss Lawsuit Against Trump,
Barr For Violent Clearing Of Lafayette Square by Spencer Hsu

A year to the week after Floyd’s death, Justice Department lawyers argued
that the lawsuits should also be tossed because last November’s presidential
election made future violations unlikely. The government said the square has
been reopened, and President Biden’s administration does not share Trump’s
stated hostility toward Floyd and the racial justice movement.

I'd swear I've seen this argument somewhere before.

 

[Aridas]

I'd swear I've seen this argument somewhere before.

*sigh*

 

[Stacyhs]

Of course I can admit when I'm wrong! Search back through Donny's video of his whole life and prove he never used the N-word, and I will gladly admit this. Even when referring to the Black residents of his apartments that he engineered out, with his father's help.

What part of my previous posts below are you not understanding? Break it down for me and maybe I can help.

Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post

It would be ridiculous for me, or anyone, to claim that Trump as never used the N word in his entire life. It would be an impossible claim to prove.

Originally Posted by Segnosaur View Post
Maybe not for his entire life, but you seemed to imply he had never used it within the past few decades.

No, YOU inferred that. Again: I said Michael Cohen said he had never heard him use it in the TEN years he was his personal lawyer and confidant but had heard him make many other racist remarks. Where you got "the past few decades", I don't know). You continue to put your own meaning to my post. Please stop.

Try reading that again very slowly and stop putting your own interpretation to my words because they don't say what you want them to say.

Uh, no that's not what I meant. The opposite, actually. Cohen was his lawyer, Donny knew that much at least. Donny saw Cohen as a means to an end for himself: Fending off legal and quasi-legal challenges. And I suspect Donny would have even been somewhat guarded about what he told Cohen, for fear that Cohen might rat him out, etc.

I know what you meant. I was being sarcastic because you were inadvertently actually correct.

Now YOU are getting it. Cohen did indeed have an intimate acquaintance with Donny's legal issues and what Donny what done with certain people he had crossed or wanted to frighten, etc. But since Cohen wasn't a friend, there's no way he would have heard even half of what Donny said to other people in private. He was NOT a genuine confidant, just the wiper of a fat orange ass because Lardass Two-Stubs couldn't reach himself.

You still don't get it. It's like you have a reading comprehension problem. Maybe if I break it down into simple, numbered parts you'll understand:

1. I never said Trump NEVER used the N-word in his life.
2. I said Cohen said he never heard Trump use the N-word.
3. I never said Cohen and Trump were friends.
4. A confidant does not have to be a friend.
Confidant: person with whom one shares a secret or private matter,
trusting them not to repeat it to others.

Did or did not Trump share secret/private matters with Cohen trusting him not to repeat it to others? YES or NO?

If you cannot understand my position after this, I really don't know how else to make it any more simple.

 

[Stacyhs]

If such a tape comes out, all 74 million Trump supporters will claim, and be content to believe, it’s a deep fake.

I wouldn't doubt that for a minute. People's ability to see what they want to see despite the evidence to the contrary is amazing. I heard one Trumper on TV today saying the Jan. 6 insurrection was a 'peaceful protest' and another going on about the 'horrible sex trafficking' some Dems were engaged in.

 

[quadraginta]

Probably, but I’m also fairly sure if there’s an opportunity for Bezos to bury Trump he’s take it.

I suspect Bezos is too canny a businessman to do that, even if he'd like to. The negative publicity from the T**** cultists wouldn't be worth the personal satisfaction.

Unless, of course, he could do it without leaving any traces of his involvement.

 

[dirtywick]

I suspect Bezos is too canny a businessman to do that, even if he'd like to. The negative publicity from the T**** cultists wouldn't be worth the personal satisfaction.

Unless, of course, he could do it without leaving any traces of his involvement.

At the same time, Trump abused office to go after Bezos and Amazon already. I don’t think he’d want him to have a second chance at doing it again.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I suspect Bezos is too canny a businessman to do that, even if he'd like to. The negative publicity from the T**** cultists wouldn't be worth the personal satisfaction.

Unless, of course, he could do it without leaving any traces of his involvement.

Dump faked being a billionaire and business people still flocked to him despite him being racist and a confessed pussy grabber.

I can't see how any people doing business with Bezos, an actual multi-billionaire, would give a **** if he took some revenge on Dump.

 

[Stacyhs]

Let's face it: a sizeable amount of Trump supporters would consider it a positive thing if such a tape came out.
I wonder how people like Tim Scott would justify their continuing support for Trump? "What President Trump said was bad BUT........"

 

[Segnosaur]

All can say is...HA HA!

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/05/27/trump-payroll-tax-deferral-491017

Basically...
- Trump (without congressional approval) tried to bring in a program to stimulate the economy during covid by allowing payroll taxes to be deferred
- most employers did not partake (because they realized many employees would end up stuck once the tax bill was due and they couldn't cover it)
- members of the trump admin DID have their taxes deferred, along with vague promises that the taxes would eventually be forgotten about
- Trump lost re-election, the tax bill is now due for former trump admin workers, and many are complaining

Not much sympathy for people who voluntarily decided to work for a racist con artist and found broken promises as a result.

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[Bob001]

I suspect Bezos is too canny a businessman to do that, even if he'd like to. The negative publicity from the T**** cultists wouldn't be worth the personal satisfaction.

Unless, of course, he could do it without leaving any traces of his involvement.

There are a lot of layers between Bezos and those tapes. Multiple women are suing Trump for sexual harassment and other reasons, and demanding all the evidence they can get about Trump's behavior and attitudes; all Bezos would have to do is pass the word not to contest subpoenas and court orders.

On the other hand, people who worked on the Apprentice say Trump knew he was always surrounded by microphones and cameras, and would have been smart enough not to create that kind of evidence.

It continues to astonish me that we haven't heard any tapes from meetings in the White House. Apparently WH staffers weren't allowed to bring phones into meetings, but unless the Secret Service was actually wanding people, it would have been easy to smuggle in some kind of pocket recorder.

 

[Mumbles]

Did you expect them to change their minds?

They don't do that.

They are primed and ready to believe whatever they are told. I don't think a long build-up time is necessary.

Not quite true.

Toupee Fiasco's crowd, obviously, is a mix of people who typically pay no attention to politics at all (this seems to have ended with COVID), and the same self-pitying bigots that the GOP has catered to since LBJ decided that Jim Crow was just an embarrassing waste of time and money. Same people that used "obama" as a prefix to let you know that they hated black people (see: Obama Bucks, Obamaphones, Obama waffles, Obamacare - they got a lot of y'all good with that last one, but the patterns obvious) And yell "TRUMP TRUMP" when they're being violently racist.

You can't sell them on anything, because, like the guy they follow, they're deeply committed to white supremacism.

 

[Stacyhs]

All can say is...HA HA!

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/05/27/trump-payroll-tax-deferral-491017

Basically...
- Trump (without congressional approval) tried to bring in a program to stimulate the economy during covid by allowing payroll taxes to be deferred
- most employers did not partake (because they realized many employees would end up stuck once the tax bill was due and they couldn't cover it)
- members of the trump admin DID have their taxes deferred, along with vague promises that the taxes would eventually be forgotten about
- Trump lost re-election, the tax bill is now due for former trump admin workers, and many are complaining

Not much sympathy for people who voluntarily decided to work for a racist con artist and found broken promises as a result.

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Typical:

Some of those former appointees say they don’t blame Trump, even if his initiative is now coming back to haunt them.

“I thought it was a good plan — I don’t think it got the traction it deserved,” said one former appointee. “I just wish I had the option to opt-out.”

Some point a finger at President Joe Biden.

 

[Andy_Ross]

and would have been smart enough not to create that kind of evidence.

There's your problem!

 

[Norman Alexander]

What part of my previous posts below are you not understanding? Break it down for me and maybe I can help.

Try reading that again very slowly and stop putting your own interpretation to my words because they don't say what you want them to say.

I know what you meant. I was being sarcastic because you were inadvertently actually correct.



You still don't get it. It's like you have a reading comprehension problem. Maybe if I break it down into simple, numbered parts you'll understand:

1. I never said Trump NEVER used the N-word in his life.
2. I said Cohen said he never heard Trump use the N-word.
3. I never said Cohen and Trump were friends.
4. A confidant does not have to be a friend.
Confidant: person with whom one shares a secret or private matter,
trusting them not to repeat it to others.

Did or did not Trump share secret/private matters with Cohen trusting him not to repeat it to others? YES or NO?

If you cannot understand my position after this, I really don't know how else to make it any more simple.

I'm not one of your students, nor have I misunderstood your position. I've repeated my views in a number of different ways in an effort to allow you to appreciate them. But clearly I have failed, for which I apologise. I won't bother with this again.