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Cont: The Trump Presidency: Part 27

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RolandRat said:
Donald Trump writes on his blog:

"In a lengthy blog post in response to the news of the attorney general’s investigation, the former president wrote: “The Attorney General of New York literally campaigned on prosecuting Donald Trump even before she knew anything about me. She said that if elected, she would use her office to look into ‘every aspect’ of my real estate dealings.”

Mr Trump went on to say: “The Attorney General made each of these statements, not after having had an opportunity to actually look at the facts, but BEFORE she was even elected, BEFORE she had seen even a shred of evidence. This is something that happens in failed third-world countries, not the United States. If you can run for a prosecutor’s office pledging to take out your enemies and be elected to that job by partisan voters who wish to enact political retribution, then we are no longer a free constitutional democracy.”

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/trump-returns-manhattan-wake-york-213307404.html
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I really do not understand it, but Trump has always demonstrated a singular talent of whining and bitching about other people when they do not follow the rules as he sees them, while at the very same time he will always excuse himself from following these same rules in the same manner as he would apply them to everyone else.

And in spite of this often demonstrated incongruity, many Trump followers continue to follow Trump.
 
Crossbow said:
I really do not understand it, but Trump has always demonstrated a singular talent of whining and bitching about other people when they do not follow the rules as he sees them, while at the very same time he will always excuse himself from following these same rules in the same manner as he would apply them to everyone else.

And in spite of this often demonstrated incongruity, many Trump followers continue to follow Trump.
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Because if you are held to no accountability and have no shame then a constant state of double standards and hypocrisy is a goddamn amazing place to be at.
 
Belz... said:
I think the smarter analysts could probably have predicted this, generally speaking, back in the 60s when the Southern Strategy was invoked. When you deliberately pick the side that's going to lose that culture war, you're on a path to a policy-less, reactionary, antidemocratic and violent end. Reagan, Rove, Gingritch, McConnell and Trump are all just stepping stones to the end result.
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Nixon and Trump
 
Crossbow said:
I really do not understand it, but Trump has always demonstrated a singular talent of whining and bitching about other people when they do not follow the rules as he sees them, while at the very same time he will always excuse himself from following these same rules in the same manner as he would apply them to everyone else.

And in spite of this often demonstrated incongruity, many Trump followers continue to follow Trump.
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For some people, once they've become emotionally and publicly invested in something or someone, it becomes very difficult to admit they've made a mistake. They'd rather double down and try not only to keep convincing themselves, but others, that they were right in the first place. We see this with people who stick with partners who cheat on them time and again or refuse to admit they were wrong about a defendant despite new evidence, etc. As the saying goes, " It's easier to fool someone than to convince them they've been fooled."
 
Belz... said:
I think the smarter analysts could probably have predicted this, generally speaking, back in the 60s when the Southern Strategy was invoked. When you deliberately pick the side that's going to lose that culture war, you're on a path to a policy-less, reactionary, antidemocratic and violent end. Reagan, Rove, Gingritch, McConnell and Trump are all just stepping stones to the end result.
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...Weirich and Buckley were pretty clear on being anti-democratic as well, honestly, carrying on in the tradition of slavers and Jim Crow lovers before them. For that matter, we could discuss the Lily White Republicans that arose shortly after 1877.

The real news today isn't so much that, it's that the dems are increasingly loud in the defense of democracy, while the GOP has decided that they no longer have any interest in policy. The former is interested in creating and enhancing services for the general welfare that are glaringly absent from modern America, while the latter are obsessed with cis straight white Christian men as the sole rulers of something.

(been telling y'all for years that they want "small government" for themselves, and violent oppression for everyone else)
 
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JoeMorgue said:
Because if you are held to no accountability and have no shame then a constant state of double standards and hypocrisy is a goddamn amazing place to be at.
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You left out a belief that he is the only independent entity in the world and everyone else is a NPC who can be used and discarded like tissues.
 
Stacyhs said:
For some people, once they've become emotionally and publicly invested in something or someone, it becomes very difficult to admit they've made a mistake. They'd rather double down and try not only to keep convincing themselves, but others, that they were right in the first place. We see this with people who stick with partners who cheat on them time and again or refuse to admit they were wrong about a defendant despite new evidence, etc. As the saying goes, " It's easier to fool someone than to convince them they've been fooled."
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Thanks much.

That does explain a few things.
 
Looks like things are progressing in the criminal case against Trump:
Manhattan's top prosecutor has convened a grand jury that is expected to decide whether to indict former President Donald Trump should prosecutors present criminal charges in their probe of the Trump Organization, two people familiar with the matter told The Washington Post.

The panel, convened by Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance, could also decide to indict executives at the Trump Organization or the business itself if criminal charges are presented, the Post reported.
The grand jury is set to sit for three days a week for six months, according to the newspaper, and will likely hear matter beyond just the Trump Organization probe during that time.
CNN has reached out to the Trump Organization for comment. Trump has previously called the district attorney's investigation a "witch hunt."
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https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/25/poli...rney-trump-organization-grand-jury/index.html
 
Aridas said:
I'm not at all convinced that Trump actually wrote that, of course. It's also stunningly unconvincing as an argument, given situational context.
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It's also uncharacteristically coherent.

Does anyone here truly believe that the Tiny-Handed Tangerine Tyrant (#HeWhoShallBeNamed) actually has the patience to sit down at a computer and type out blog posts out himself? Of course he has someone do it for him.
 
Worm said:
I thought the Conservative position was that the US is a Republic, not a Democracy?
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That's because the Republican party is anti democracy and pro terrorism.

A republic is, of course, a representative democracy, but when they call the US a "republic", it's like when the Kim family call North Korea a "Democracy" - it's a lie, they really waunt an autocracy. They only like it because of the childish wordplay.

"Republic" <-> "Republican Party".
 
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JoeMorgue said:
Again you have to understand their mindset.

It's not hypocrisy because they are obviously correct. To them "Republicans are the real Americans" is established fact, nothing can contradict it.

I've said it before. Republicans treat Democrats demanding to be treated as equal Americans like you'd react to your toaster getting mad at you because you and not it gets to decide how dark you want your toast.

It's not just hypocrisy, or it's hypocrisy that's go so far that calling it hypocrisy no longer seems enough however you want to look at it.
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I think you're a bit off here. "That's just how the game is played!" and "It's a smart strategy!" would likely reflect their mindset better. It's not that they don't know that it's hypocrisy, it's that they don't actually care that it's weaponized hypocrisy, so long as it accomplishes its purpose. Similarly, blatant idiocy, brazen racism, and so on are also easily treated as strategic moves.
 
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