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The behaviour of US police officers

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Darat said:
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It is quite clear that many of the Americans in this thread just can’t get their heads around the idea that police have to face such incidents in the UK without having a firearm, that ways have to found to still protect the innocent without having the fallback of a gun.
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I repeat, what could unarmed UK cops have done to stop the girl from stabbing another girl at that moment? If the answer is "nothing," please say so.

I think what's distracting here is that the attacker is a teen-age girl. But so were her potential victims. If an adult man was attacking girls with a knife, no one would question the police response.
 
Bob001 said:
I repeat, what could unarmed UK cops have done to stop the girl from stabbing another girl at that moment? If the answer is "nothing," please say so.
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We don't know that anyone would have gotten stabbed. "nothing" might have been exactly what was required.
 
Okay but we're getting dangerously close to putting LEOs into the same position the LEOs put minorities into.

"What should they have done?"
"The exact opposite of what they did."
"But if they had done the exact opposite you'd be still complaining, saying they should have done what they did in real life. It's always the same, you should have done whatever it is you didn't do."

If the police had OCed the girl, the exact same people would be in the discussion having a problem with that.
 
Bob001 said:
Most police work is pretty mundane. Cops can go long stretches of time without even arresting anybody. Police work isn't even among the top 10 most dangerous jobs. But I'd hate to see cops respond to the scene of an active shooter with pepper spray.
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Well good for you since no one is suggesting that. :rolleyes:
 
Delphic Oracle said:
The potential stabbing victim had been shoved off balance against the hood of a car, only managing to get off a wild kick as a desperate defensive measure.

The knife was reeled back and starting to move forward.

And no, don't try to distort "questioning whether a potentially deadly knife attack was a good idea" with "questioning whether reaching for a seat belt/being uncomfortable with angry commands to exit a vehicle at a routine traffic stop was a good idea" as similar and therefor heartless victim-blaming.
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:boggled:

How did you drag a seat belt into this?
 
Skeptical Greg said:
You would have to ask her, when you get a chance.

How long should the officer wait to see what happens next?

Maybe it will be just a thigh jab..
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It doesn't take any longer to shoot the thigh or pelvis than it took to shoot mid chest.

How many times have bystanders been killed by a cop's errant bullet?
 
Bob001 said:
I repeat, what could unarmed UK cops have done to stop the girl from stabbing another girl at that moment? If the answer is "nothing," please say so.

I think what's distracting here is that the attacker is a teen-age girl. But so were her potential victims. If an adult man was attacking girls with a knife, no one would question the police response.
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No one - apart from SG is questioning the police action…


Again we are using this as an example of a type of incident.
 
We don't actually know that she was trying to kill or would have even if trying to. I also don't know that the police had enough info to know who was defending themselves vs attacking, although everyone should just stop when the police show up. Also, how accurate are cops? Haven't we, in this or another thread, claimed that cops shoot multiple times because they sometimes miss? How close did this cop come to killing the girl in pink?
 
Bob001 said:
I repeat, what could unarmed UK cops have done to stop the girl from stabbing another girl at that moment? If the answer is "nothing," please say so.

I think what's distracting here is that the attacker is a teen-age girl. But so were her potential victims. If an adult man was attacking girls with a knife, no one would question the police response.
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I imagine a good crack to the head with a billy club would have done the trick.
 
I'm sure the argument would just be "Well it's different because I'm not a little girl" but I've been OCed multiple times and while it sucks on a level of suck that is hard to describe, it doesn't really like physically "stop" you from doing something like a Taser or... well being killed.

I'm not going to sit here and split the hair, but if an adult was running at me with a knife I would not trust OC to stop him.
 
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