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The behaviour of US police officers

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RolandRat said:
With regards to state police, are they considered a higher authority over local police? Or do they require permission, for example, to come into a certain city and enforcing law?
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I don't think so. Here in Vermont, at least, the various police have overlapping jurisdictions, and that includes, as far as I know, city and county police performing in areas not their own.
 
RolandRat said:
With regards to state police, are they considered a higher authority over local police? Or do they require permission, for example, to come into a certain city and enforcing law?
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In principle no, as I know in NY I there is little to no land that is not technically in a county or town. But they tend to focus on different areas and smaller departments can call in larger ones who say have better forensic accounting expertise.
 
//Caveat that 'jurisdiction' is massively complicated, especially in the United States and every thing said about it has an exception, special case, or other asterisks on it which will in then probably have it's own asterisks...//

In general no. Jurisdiction happens at the lowest possible level here as a rule of thumb. The "higher up," even if they are above them in some government power structure, has to justify taking over an investigation even if they are able to.
 
If I drive into town, I'll be under the jurisdiction of the city police, county sheriff's office, and state patrol, none of whom has authority over any other, just overlapping jurisdictions. And of course a multitude of Federal LE agencies, including CBP since we're within 100 miles of a border.
 
JoeMorgue said:
I'm saying a society where put someone in a random position and go "Okay now list off all the laws you have to follow right now" where everyone agrees that



A) Nobody can do that

B) If you can't do that cops have a right to ask you 20 questions and murder you if don't get it right.



Is not a just one.
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I don't know what to do about people "randomly" ending up in a different jurisdiction.

I was responding to an example of a trip to another town, which I took to mean there was an opportunity available to do some brief research and become informed (or not, but then cry about the results).
 
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bruto said:
It is, of course, possible, but lacking further information, we can't know. What we can see is that an inordinately large number of cops descended on them. And what could they have shown? Cyclists don't usually carry receipts for their bicycles. The bikes could be 20 years old, hand-me-downs. Who the hell has paperwork for a bike?

I don't carry the receipt for my bike when I ride. I never did. Of course I'm an old white guy, so nobody is going to say I stole my bike. I could steal a bike a day and get away with it. If I did, I sure wouldn't steal crappy old Huffies like the ones in the video, though.

Of course it's possible they were just as bad as some people would like them to be, but it's also possible that in the situation they found themselves in they realized that they were outnumbered and outgunned, and that nothing they did could prevent the inevitable. If a cop with a gun says he's taking your bike, do you struggle for it, knowing that the next thing is that he'll draw his gun and kneel on your neck, or send you to jail for a handful of trumped-up charges?
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This is more crap.

It's your bike the cops accuse you of stealing it. You don't throw your arms up and give up arguing.

You tell them to call your mom, call grandma, call anyone that can confirm what color/style the bike you own is.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
This is more crap.

It's your bike the cops accuse you of stealing it. You don't throw your arms up and give up arguing.

You tell them to call your mom, call grandma, call anyone that can confirm what color/style the bike you own is.
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lol
 
bruto said:
I don't think so. Here in Vermont, at least, the various police have overlapping jurisdictions, and that includes, as far as I know, city and county police performing in areas not their own.
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Could be different in Vermont. County police here police unincorporated parts of the county. Any of them would chase an offender/suspect into another jurisdiction and then things get sorted out.

Sometimes the state patrol and/or the FBI and/or multiple police departments get involved in planned in advanced busts.
 
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Captain_Swoop said:
A license for a bike otherwise you are carted away in cuffs?

Does this apply even even to kids?

Apparently it does

Video in link

https://twitter.com/begin_therevolt/status/1384262598380515331

It seems to me a lot of these laws and 'local ordinances' are just there as tools of oppression.

I thought the USA was the 'land of the free'?
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We're not even the "land of the inexpensive.".

It's the same as it is with "justice". You can have all the "freedom" you can afford.
 
Delphic Oracle said:
What kinds of turns are or are not allowed in what circumstances and the signage required to denote such are typically already state laws. Unclear markings or lack of markings at an intersection where exceptions to standard rules are in play could get you off.

But then that doesn't fix the problem, does it?

My metropolitan area straddles 2 states with different laws regarding U-turns.

Your solution does nothing about that.

Finally, yes, if you are traveling somewhere, you should familiarize yourself with local customs and respect them, not insist people at the place you are visiting as a guest realign to you.
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Do you feel that this should apply to things like marriage laws which, until comparatively recently, varied considerably from state to state?
 
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