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The behaviour of US police officers

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RolandRat said:
If this is true then what the actual ****? Why isn't the local government sacking these people? Do not the police have to comply with local government in the US?
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If I recall from last year. The state police didn't do a bad job during the BLM protests. I can't for the life of me see a communications strategy that isn't being executed through a bullhorn. Why are the key leader engagements from seniors on the police force and the community. The mayor should ask the governor for the state to take over. The local cops are clearly out of their depths here.
 
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Kestrel said:
The long version of the bodycam video shows the male officer asking about the blood on the female officer. Once she explains it is the suspect’s blood his concerns vanish. We also get to see the two officers pit leg restraints on the subject. At the end of the video they carry her into the station and put her in a holding cell. The officer at the station asks if the officers were hurt. Nobody showed any concern about the suspect.

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Don't they realise at any point that she's got mental issues?

Do they put her shoulder back in place at any time?
 
Craig4 said:
I can't speak for what they do now, but no, that is not how we trained. There are pass fail scenarios, but mostly on the sim you it's a talk through with the training officer to see if you worked through the threat in your mind.
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Suddenly your position becomes clear.
 
Cop did an armed home invasion of a woman that stopped returning his calls. Released on 30k bond, something that is almost impossible to imagine for anyone that isn't a cop.

A Louisville Metro Police officer has been arrested after a woman told police that he forced his way into her residence with a gun, then restrained and beat her over a period of hours.

Robert D. Jones Jr., 25, of Louisville, is charged with first-degree burglary, first-degree wanton endangerment, first-degree unlawful imprisonment and fourth-degree assault.

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The woman said Jones was armed with a handgun when he “pushed his way into” her home, then “locked the door and began berating” her “about not returning his calls,” according to the police citation.
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https://www.kentucky.com/news/local/crime/article250753009.html

Friends don't let friends date cops.
 
Craig4 said:
I only saw the body cam but this one was a justified shooting. The boy turned and the officer fired in less than a second. The boy had the weapon through the chase. I'm sure others will disagree.
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Yep once he ran he was as good as dead. Nothing he could have done would have prevented the cop from executing him. This is how it is apparently supposed to work.
 
Checkmite said:
It's guns. The problem is guns. Guns all the way down. The populace at large having free and, meaningfully, uncontrolled access to guns.

There's a (in some ways sickening) platitude, one among many, that is popular with the gun-rights set that goes, "People shouldn't be afraid of their government, the government should be afraid of the people." The unspoken assertion is that the reason the government should "be afraid of the people" is because if a government agent or agency "steps out of line", by whatever value is deemed deserving, an armed citizenry can shoot them to death.
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Those who say things like this invariably backtrack really quickly when the people in question have dark skin. The second there is the slightest suggestion that someone who looks or things differently than they do could oppose the government they back a full force crackdown.
 
Checkmite said:
It's guns. The problem is guns. Guns all the way down. The populace at large having free and, meaningfully, uncontrolled access to guns.

There's a (in some ways sickening) platitude, one among many, that is popular with the gun-rights set that goes, "People shouldn't be afraid of their government, the government should be afraid of the people." The unspoken assertion is that the reason the government should "be afraid of the people" is because if a government agent or agency "steps out of line", by whatever value is deemed deserving, an armed citizenry can shoot them to death.
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Actually I think the implication is that the people can rise up and overthrow a despotic or irresponsible government. But it often sounds like they're saying what you wrote, though.
 
Aridas said:
At last check, far too much of the modern police tactics book was literally created based on that of an occupying army, after all.

Yes, American police act like occupying armies. They literally studied their tactics

The founders of modern policing quelled foreign uprisings. ‘Demilitarizing’ police will be harder than taking away their tanks



I disagree. That the unarmed person was complying with the officer's instructions is also relevant.
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Modern militaries have stopped using these tactics because they don’t work. The very limited increase in short term safety and stability get more than undone by the increase in hatred these tactics create in the population they are trying to control.

It's more like police are emulating failed 19'th century ideas of how to conduct an occupation.
 
lomiller said:
Modern militaries have stopped using these tactics because they don’t work. The very limited increase in short term safety and stability get more than undone by the increase in hatred these tactics create in the population they are trying to control.

It's more like police are emulating failed 19'th century ideas of how to conduct an occupation.
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Coming up on two decades of unsuccessful occupation of Afghanistan, it would seem the US military still doesn't really understand this.
 
RolandRat said:
If this is true then what the actual ****? Why isn't the local government sacking these people? Do not the police have to comply with local government in the US?
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How do you make them comply? If the police refuse to comply with government or courts what are you going to do, call the police?
 
RolandRat said:
If this is true then what the actual ****? Why isn't the local government sacking these people? Do not the police have to comply with local government in the US?
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In theory. In practice local elected officials only have a say in the leadership of the department and can not have lower ranked people fired. The only way the local government would have to apply pressure on them would be through the budget. And maybe with time the courts would eventually do something if the police refuse to obey the order of the court, see Sheriff Joe and his conviction/pardon for the biggest case of this I am aware of.
 
ponderingturtle said:
In theory. In practice local elected officials only have a say in the leadership of the department and can not have lower ranked people fired. The only way the local government would have to apply pressure on them would be through the budget. And maybe with time the courts would eventually do something if the police refuse to obey the order of the court, see Sheriff Joe and his conviction/pardon for the biggest case of this I am aware of.
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Sure, but any lawsuits or contempt fees come out of the general budget, not from the police budget itself. The people of the city pay for their own abuse at the hands of the cops, and no amount of cash awards in lawsuits will realistically influence the pigs.


Hell, Portland was already under a consent decree with the feds for their police department (for unrelated civil rights abuses) and that didn't stop them from routinely using these jackboot tactics during protests all year long.

I would humbly suggest that these institutions are unreformable and should be, at the very least, aggressively defunded. The culture of these institutions must be completely snuffed out, it's pure poison.
 
lomiller said:
Modern militaries have stopped using these tactics because they don’t work. The very limited increase in short term safety and stability get more than undone by the increase in hatred these tactics create in the population they are trying to control.

It's more like police are emulating failed 19'th century ideas of how to conduct an occupation.
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In Chicago the police behave like an occupying army in high crime neighborhoods. The people living in those places don’t trust the police and are reluctant to cooperate with them.

Los Angles used to have the same problem. They fixed it by making police commanders responsible for improving relations with the people living in their district. Violent crime rates dropped as those relationships improved.
 
Kestrel said:
In Chicago the police behave like an occupying army in high crime neighborhoods. The people living in those places don’t trust the police and are reluctant to cooperate with them.

Los Angles used to have the same problem. They fixed it by making police commanders responsible for improving relations with the people living in their district. Violent crime rates dropped as those relationships improved.
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LA County Sheriff deputies form criminal gangs that celebrate killing citizens.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Coming up on two decades of unsuccessful occupation of Afghanistan, it would seem the US military still doesn't really understand this.
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IMO Afghanistan is an outlier. There is no combination of tactics which could lead to a stable Afghanistan because there seems to be little domestic desire for one.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Coming up on two decades of unsuccessful occupation of Afghanistan, it would seem the US military still doesn't really understand this.
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The US military is\was particularly hated by the locals, but the situation there was probably always intractable regardless of tactics used.

The locals always understood that the western forces there couldn't be everywhere and would be gone altogether eventually. All the terrorists (really just ultra violent drug lords) needed to do is promise to murder the children of anyone who failed to cooperate with them, then wait for the opportunity to come back and do so.
 
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