Cancel culture IRL

[dirtywick]

Nope. I pointed out why I felt yours was flawed. You didn’t really care to address that so you can continue to use it if you choose

 

[d4m10n]

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[Stout]

Can you believe the audacity of this.....female presenting person who's steeped in white privilege.....to actually suggest the people change and should be forgiven for past transgressions ?

SARAH SILVERMAN WARNS AGAINST CANCEL CULTURE

The comedian, a proud progressive, acknowledges that progressives are the ones largely pushing cancel culture, but believes people can change.

Somebody who's previously appeared in blackface.

We've seen with the whole Teen Vogue lesson that this is impossible. That which has been said cannot be unsaid and must follow the offender to the grave and possibly beyond.

 

[Darat]

Can you believe the audacity of this.....female presenting person who's steeped in white privilege.....to actually suggest the people change and should be forgiven for past transgressions ?

SARAH SILVERMAN WARNS AGAINST CANCEL CULTURE



Somebody who's previously appeared in blackface.

We've seen with the whole Teen Vogue lesson that this is impossible. That which has been said cannot be unsaid and must follow the offender to the grave and possibly beyond.

Why do you think she is being audacious and why call her “female” rather than person, is her sex important to your point?

 

[Stout]

Why do you think she is being audacious and why call her “female” rather than person, is her sex important to your point?

Audacious for going against lessons learned form examples posted on this thread, Teen Vogue being only one of those and female presenting person to display my extensive grasp of cutting progressive ideology and terminology.

Can't have people thinking I'm some sort of right winger now can I ?

 

[Darat]

Audacious for going against lessons learned form examples posted on this thread, Teen Vogue being only one of those and female presenting person to display my extensive grasp of cutting progressive ideology and terminology.

Can't have people thinking I'm some sort of right winger now can I ?

I have no idea what you are trying to communicate.

 

[Stout]

I have no idea what you are trying to communicate.

1) That Sarah Silverman isn't really a progressive due to deviation from demonstrated progressive orthodoxy.

2) Sarah Silverman is female presenting and to describe he as such is to avoid pitfalls like "adult human female" which is, as any serious progressive would know, can be construed as transphobic.

3) Practically begging for a refutation and evidence that Silverman's characterization of cancel culture being largely pushed by progressives when we all know it's the right wing media that's doing that. I'd do my own research but my internet connection is currently down.

4)I'm virtue signalling.

 

[dirtywick]

1) That Sarah Silverman isn't really a progressive due to deviation from demonstrated progressive orthodoxy.

2) Sarah Silverman is female presenting and to describe he as such is to avoid pitfalls like "adult human female" which is, as any serious progressive would know, can be construed as transphobic.

3) Practically begging for a refutation and evidence that Silverman's characterization of cancel culture being largely pushed by progressives when we all know it's the right wing media that's doing that. I'd do my own research but my internet connection is currently down.

4)I'm virtue signalling.

Since the rest of your points are baggage from elsewhere, the right wing media is being criticized for largely pushing the “dangerous new thing the left is doing” narrative while gladly participating in it themselves when it’s target is someone or some thing they don’t like. In fact, recent speeches and communications from prominent right wing figures specifically call for cancellation because they feel it’s effective and they don’t do it enough.

Besides, she is calling for forgiveness to people who have repented for their sins against orthodox progression, which is much different than denouncing cancel culture. In that vein, plenty of people have been cancelled and still deserve it.

 

[Stout]

Since the rest of your points are baggage from elsewhere, the right wing media is being criticized for largely pushing the “dangerous new thing the left is doing” narrative while gladly participating in it themselves when it’s target is someone or some thing they don’t like. In fact, recent speeches and communications from prominent right wing figures specifically call for cancellation because they feel it’s effective and they don’t do it enough.

Besides, she is calling for forgiveness to people who have repented for their sins against orthodox progression, which is much different than denouncing cancel culture. In that vein, plenty of people have been cancelled and still deserve it.

Well, the title of the article is literally Sarah Silverman Warns Against cancel Culture and she literally says that progressives are the ones largely pushing cancel culture your issue is with Silverman's description of cancel culture, not my baggage or the right wing media.

I'm fully aware that we progressive types frequently take our ideology too seriously and bristle at the thought that sometimes we can act like total morons by making mountains out of mole hills like we did with Sharon Osbourne's cancellation. She didn't say anything racist, Piers Morgan didn't say anything racist was merely " it's the implication and the reaction to it." according to Sheryl Underwood.

So not believing someone who was black...is racist ? If a black person told you 911 was an inside job and you as a white person refuted that idea, then by these standards, the standards of woke, any white person who disagreed best keep their mouth shut lest they face accusations of...well, you know.

 

[dirtywick]

I read the article past the title.

 

[smartcooky]

The phrase "Cancel Culture" is designed to be tough and fearful. "There's a Culture that they (you know who they are) have where they crush...kill...Cancel those unlike them!"

Great for a moral panic, but in the end, all you see standard left wingers doing is saying "WWait, why isn't Trump 'cancelling" sports leagues, sugary drinks, and the like? And how are we "canceling" things we never even said anything about, much less organized against?" And the answer is, as I said, it's not a coherently defined term.

ETA: there's no *massive* disagreement that, say, sometimes people are fired unfairly for a social media post, some people who get attacked on Youtube for screaming and howling in public are really just having a mental illness episode and need help - although where these lines are drawn, exactly, is debatable. But adding "culture" to what moves it away from any individual boycott, and into the horrifying idea that there's some unspecified, but clearly *implied* mob that just goes around seeking revenge for petty offenses, something like a volcano god or dragon that can only be appeased through sacrifices or slaughtered - an ascribing of ill will to what are, rally, events that are effectively unrelated when you examine them.

On the other hand, I see it as perfectly justified to visit the wrath of the public on people like Amy Cooper (Central Park Karen) whose racist behaviour in public was captured on video and went viral on you-tube. Her racist diatribe was not illegal, and even if she had not called the cops (which was illegal) her other actions were morally reprehensible and deserved the ire of the public - she was a victim of cancel culture who was made a social pariah, and thoroughly deserved everything she got.

Then there is this woman, Debra Hunter...

https://www.jacksonville.com/story/...ghing-shopper-jacksonville-pier-1/6979453002/

...who deliberately coughed on a woman videoing her having an argument in a store. Disgusting, and illegal as well - second degree assault.

Hunter has been well and truly cancelled... she's received "nastygrams" on social media and long time friends that won't talk to her any more, but best of all, the courts are going to cancel her too... for 30 days behind bars, six months probation, a compulsory anger management course and a $500 fine. And who did she blame for all this? Why the person who posted the video of course! Hunter is the very embodiment of white privilege - someone who has probably lived all her life without ever having to face consequences for her behaviour. Nope, she really has no-one else to blame but herself for the trouble she is in now, and she is about to learn that bad actions have unpleasant consequences.

And that is the issue here; its why I am perfectly happy to see the Debras and the Amys of this world get what is coming to them - ostracism, fired from their jobs, losing customers/clients/friends, made pariahs in their own communities and dog-piled on Social Media. Its all deserved, every bit of it, and it sends out a clear message about acceptable behaviour to other would-be Karens and Chads.

 

[catsmate]

I thought "cancel culture" was about people getting fired for saying things unrelated to their job.

An writer about the outdoors losing popularity because he reveals himself to be anti-gun is pretty directly related to his job performance.

Next time I have a negative job performance review I'm going to accuse my boss of "cancelling" me.

You are either grossly ignorant of the circumstances or in denial.

 

[catsmate]

I have no idea what you are trying to communicate.

Spewing smoke to cover reality.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

You are either grossly ignorant of the circumstances or in denial.

Care to elaborate?

Would it be "cancel culture" if a writer for a mostly vegetarian or vegan audience lost popular support if that writer advocated occasionally eating meat?

If Bill Nye came out as a flat-earther, do you think that would affect his popularity among his current base of support that see themselves as pro-science?

A hunting and shooting writer coming out in support of gun culture is in direct opposition to dearly held values of that target audience. It's an extremely foreseeable and even reasonable response for him to lose support abruptly.

 

[d4m10n]

Would it be "cancel culture" if a writer for a mostly vegetarian or vegan audience lost popular support if that writer advocated occasionally eating meat?

Under what definition of "cancel culture" is it *not* cancel culture for a public figure to lose support for saying something offensive?

Nope. I pointed out why I felt yours was flawed. You didn’t really care to address that so you can continue to use it if you choose

Have you provided a viable alternative?

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Under what definition of "cancel culture" is it *not* cancel culture for a public figure to lose support for saying something offensive?

I fail to see how a public figure alienating their audience and suffering a loss of popularity as any novel or noteworthy phenomena that merits a new term nor hand wringing.

In the example of the gun writer coming out as a Fudd, that's not even a personal scandal a la Bill Cosby or Weinstein, but something that speaks directly to his expertise and his position as a respected voice on the subject matter.

 

[d4m10n]

I fail to see how a public figure alienating their audience and suffering a loss of popularity as any novel or noteworthy phenomena that merits a new term nor hand wringing.

I don't think a phenomenon needs to be new to be noteworthy. "Rape culture" is a relatively new coinage, but it certainly isn't a new thing.

As to hand-wringing, I suppose that depends on whether hunting culture and assault rifle culture are indeed heavily overlapping. Last I checked they were not, but that was decades ago. I'd defer to the expert here, but he's the one who got cancelled.

In the example of the gun writer coming out as a Fudd, that's not even a personal scandal a la Bill Cosby or Weinstein, but something that speaks directly to his expertise and his position as a respected voice on the subject matter.

Is there a working definition of "cancel culture" which incorporates this distinction?

 

[TurkeysGhost]

I don't think a phenomenon needs to be new to be noteworthy. "Rape culture" is a relatively new coinage, but it certainly isn't a new thing.

As to hand-wringing, I suppose that depends on whether hunting culture and assault rifle culture are indeed heavily overlapping. Last I checked they were not, but that was decades ago. I'd defer to the expert here, but he's the one who got cancelled.Is there a working definition of "cancel culture" which incorporates this distinction?

Beats me. I don't think "cancel culture" is a thing beyond a purposely ambiguous term, largely used by reactionaries, to smear all criticisms and expectations of conduct as illegitimate or unreasonable.

As such, I don't have a definition beyond that.

 

[d4m10n]

As such, I don't have a definition beyond that.

If only there were some working definition which has already been repeatedly linked. Ah well.

 

[Stout]

Given that Sarah Silverman has not only warned us about the pitfalls of cancel culture but also promulgated the idea that progressives are the ones largely pushing cancel culture we would be remiss in our duties as progressives who possess superior moral compasses to point out that cancel culture denial most likely has it's roots in misogyny.