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Cancel culture IRL

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Manger Douse said:
Private company or not, I think there's a discussion to be about how Reddit isn't vetting people moderating the children's subs - I'm not sure it would even be legal to work with kids in the UK without a criminal background check
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Does Reddit do an age verification when you join?
 
smartcooky said:
Reddit etc, are under no legal obligation whatsoever to host any content they don't want to, or that they disagree with (just as I am under no obligation to have right wing parties putting signs in my paddock) and when they are denied, they are NOT "cancelled", they are free to go find someone who will let them put their signs in their paddock, or another host for their content.
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This analogy would be better if there was indeed a diversity of digital paddocks.

ETA: What has legal obligation to do with anything here? "Cancellation" has always been about private individuals pressuring private companies to voluntarily drop problematic people, not about passing new laws.
 
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d4m10n said:
This analogy would be better if there was indeed a diversity of digital paddocks.
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Nope, you're still expecting someone to provide a platform. Those who have content they want to publish, but cannot find anyone who will host it, should maybe consider making their own platform... i.e. buy your own paddock!

Its worth noting that if you are unable to find ANYONE to host your content, you might want to look at the nature of that content.

d4m10n said:
ETA: What has legal obligation to do with anything here? "Cancellation" has always been about private individuals pressuring private companies to voluntarily drop problematic people, not about passing new laws.
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It has everything to do with it. Those who whine about "Cancel Culture" are (incorrectly) claiming impingement on rights to free speech (a legal concept), and censorship (a legal concept).
 
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Emily's Cat said:
Some say yes, some say no. When reddit removes nearly every feminist sub as "transphobic" even when they haven't said anything hateful or cruel... but retains subs that advocate for people to attack women, rape women, and silence women... and when those feminist subs are removed as the result of intentional concerted effort on the part of trans activists... then yes, I rather think there's a bit of "cancelling" involved. Cancelling, in this case, is a much kinder word than I'm inclined to use.



Lol. Calling women who don't believe that males are females "freaks" and "bigots" and lumping them in with racists... nope, no hate there, nothing at all misogynistic about that.

The only good females are the ones that submit to the wishes of males, eh?
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Did reddit remove nearly every feminist sub?

I just looked up r/feminism and r/feminisms and r/shitredditsays and r/askfeminists and they're still there.

R/twoxchromosomes is still there.
 
Manger Douse said:
But you've got no evidence it was a hotbed of transphobia, that these posts were frequent and supported by the group - as I said, anyone can spam hate - the fact that an admin has false flagged in the past is irrelevant to that last part
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I've seen it for myself. And here you again appear to be asserting that Challenor has run a false flag operation in the past. When?
 
smartcooky said:
Nope, you're still expecting someone to provide a platform. Those who have content they want to publish, but cannot find anyone who will host it, should maybe consider making their own platform... i.e. buy your own paddock!
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Indeed. When twitter became too censorious for the right-wingers they created Gab. That Gab was an insular cesspit with a small userbase doesn't imply that twitter should have continued to host those users.

Same with reddit. I disagree with much when it comes to their moderation policies, but I don't think they're obligated to host - or not host anything.
 
Ah, it seems that the issue here is that you don't understand the meaning of the term "false flag". What you've linked to there is Challenor claiming transphobia as the reason for her exit from the party. That's not a false flag operation. A false flag operation is when you attack something that you're aligned to in order to make it seem as if you're under attack from someone outside. Like your implication that all transphobic posts on r/GenderCritical were made by her alt accounts.
 
It's a casual use of the term - sue me. I don't think I ever implied ALL transphobic posts we made by her alt though?
 
Manger Douse said:
It's a casual use of the term - sue me.
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It's not a casual use of the term. It's a misuse of the term. In fact, it seems like deliberate equivocation, given how different the two acts being described are.


I don't think I ever implied ALL transphobic posts we made by her alt though?
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Manger Douse said:
Of course we then have to wonder if these posts you've seen weren't written by these pedo admins in the first place - it would explain why gender critical subs were spammed by pedographic images
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Squeegee Beckenheim said:
It's not a casual use of the term. It's a misuse of the term. In fact, it seems like deliberate equivocation, given how different the two acts being described are.
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Both are using "transphobia" to hide crimes - that's the only reason I linked the two. Your second point seems a bit of a stretch but to be clear; all I'm asking is that in light of an Reddit admin using 'transphobia' to hide crimes in the past maybe we should re-look at what you've seen on gender critical
 
I've outlined the reasons why I think your conspiracy theory is without merit. If you want to supply some evidence to back it up, then feel free.
 
smartcooky said:
Nope, you're still expecting someone to provide a platform. Those who have content they want to publish, but cannot find anyone who will host it, should maybe consider making their own platform... i.e. buy your own paddock!
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How did that work out for Parler? I have no information on their content... but I do know that they literally created their own paddock... at which point it was the distributors and Amazon hosting services that were pressured to make it unavailable.

A: I wrote a book.
B: Well, nobody is obligated to publish your book.
A: Okay, I bought my own press and I've printed my own books.
B: Well, nobody is obligated to sell your book for you.
A: Okay, I leased my own store to sell my own books which I printed with my own press.
B: Well... nobody is obligated to lease you space! Landlord - kick them out!

At some point there's a fine line in there between "nobody has to buy it" and actually blocking purchase of it even if it people wanted to buy it.
 
Cavemonster said:
Did reddit remove nearly every feminist sub?

I just looked up r/feminism and r/feminisms and r/shitredditsays and r/askfeminists and they're still there.

R/twoxchromosomes is still there.
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Several went private in order to avoid being banned.

And a few of those are... well... male-centered feminism. Make of that what you will.
 
smartcooky said:
Those who whine about "Cancel Culture" are (incorrectly) claiming impingement on rights to free speech (a legal concept), and censorship (a legal concept).
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I consider myself among those who whine thusly, but cannot recall making any arguments from free speech (in the constitutional sense) or censorship (in the legal sense).

(Just for the sake of clarification, though, not all censorship is the result of official action. Just ask the MPAAWP. :) )
 
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