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Cancel culture IRL

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SuburbanTurkey said:
Reddit is quite bad. There's a handful of very niche, mostly technical communities I visit from time to time, but other than that I avoid it entirely as I find the general culture to be quite toxic.

I don't see anyone claiming that reddit, generally speaking, is well moderated.

My criticism of their most recent purge of hate communities, like the den of TERFs that was GenderCritical, was that they barely even scratched the surface. Every once in a while they catch bad PR for the toxic **** brewing in their subreddits and they lop off a few heads, but it remains a terrible place.
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On what grounds do you classify GenderCritical as a hate community?
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
On the criteria that is makes the TERFs real mad to call it a hate community. Not a perfect system, but satisfying ;)
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So... ******** trolling intended to insult people then? Especially if those people happen to be female?

I am overriding this. It's not trolling, it's downright making up lies in order to defame and damage a group of people.
 
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Emily's Cat said:
So... ******** trolling intended to insult people then?

Especially if those people happen to be female?
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It's fun making friends on the internet.

To drag this conversation somewhat close to the topic of the thread.

Does kicking these groups, regardless of if you agree with their characterization as being hate groups, from Reddit constitute "cancellation"?

Once the TERFs got turfed, they started their own reddit copycat called Ovarit.com. As far as I can tell, they are as free to be as transphobic as they like there.

Is it "cancel culture" for Reddit to not host certain subreddits? Does "cancellation" even mean anything at this point. Nobody lost a job here. Reddit 86'd these freaks and they started their own community, just like the most other bigger subreddits that get the boot. The TERFs join the MAGA freaks, the incels, the overt racists, and other bigoted weirdos that have had to spinoff their own communities after being shown the door from mainstream social media. Is this "cancellation"?
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Is it "cancel culture" for Reddit to not host certain subreddits?
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You'd have to look into the specific history of any given subreddit to answer this question fairly and accurately.

If the subs were taken down to satiate online outrage, probably yes.

If the subs were taken down to comply with copyright or defamation laws or preexisting sitewide polices, probably not.

(There will be liminal cases, ofc.)
 
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SuburbanTurkey said:
Is it "cancel culture" for Reddit to not host certain subreddits?
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Some say yes, some say no. When reddit removes nearly every feminist sub as "transphobic" even when they haven't said anything hateful or cruel... but retains subs that advocate for people to attack women, rape women, and silence women... and when those feminist subs are removed as the result of intentional concerted effort on the part of trans activists... then yes, I rather think there's a bit of "cancelling" involved. Cancelling, in this case, is a much kinder word than I'm inclined to use.


SuburbanTurkey said:
Reddit 86'd these freaks and they started their own community, just like the most other bigger subreddits that get the boot. The TERFs join the MAGA freaks, the incels, the overt racists, and other bigoted weirdos that have had to spinoff their own communities after being shown the door from mainstream social media. Is this "cancellation"?
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Lol. Calling women who don't believe that males are females "freaks" and "bigots" and lumping them in with racists... nope, no hate there, nothing at all misogynistic about that.

The only good females are the ones that submit to the wishes of males, eh?
 
Straight outta academia.

POLL: Majority of Americans See Cancel Culture as Threat to Freedom

Interesting paragraph in that linked article.

“It is a chilling finding that most people in the country now are afraid they would be fired if they expressed their real views on social media,” said Mark Penn, the director of the Harvard CAPS-Harris Poll survey.
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Which of course raises the question about what percentage of people are willing to say something like ( in keeping with today's theme of the thread ) trans women are women in order to appear fashionable or avoid the wrath of the SJW-Taliban vs. those who actually believe those things.
 
Stout said:
Straight outta academia.

POLL: Majority of Americans See Cancel Culture as Threat to Freedom

Interesting paragraph in that linked article.



Which of course raises the question about what percentage of people are willing to say something like ( in keeping with today's theme of the thread ) trans women are women in order to appear fashionable or avoid the wrath of the SJW-Taliban vs. those who actually believe those things.
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I 100% guarantee I would never voice my genuine feelings at work.

My company started a "Diversity Committee" last year, and I was initially very interested in joining. I'm a big supporter of racial, gender, and sexual orientation diversity, and I'd love to get more visibility for underrepresented groups. But between the silencing of women when it comes to transgender ideology and the entire "white fragility" anti-racist thing... I was simply afraid to be involved at all.

Regardless of my whole hearted support for racial equality and destroying social biases across a range of aspects, there was no way I was going to put myself in a position of scrutiny when the slighted misstep could destroy my career.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
My criticism of their most recent purge of hate communities, like the den of TERFs that was GenderCritical, was that they barely even scratched the surface.
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Do you have evidence that gender critical was a hate community with comments worse than I can find right now on Reddit or did you also only read about this hate on subs ran by a paedophile who's used transphobia to cover their tracks in the past?
 
Emily's Cat said:
I 100% guarantee I would never voice my genuine feelings at work.

My company started a "Diversity Committee" last year, and I was initially very interested in joining. I'm a big supporter of racial, gender, and sexual orientation diversity, and I'd love to get more visibility for underrepresented groups. But between the silencing of women when it comes to transgender ideology and the entire "white fragility" anti-racist thing... I was simply afraid to be involved at all.

Regardless of my whole hearted support for racial equality and destroying social biases across a range of aspects, there was no way I was going to put myself in a position of scrutiny when the slighted misstep could destroy my career.
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Sometimes I'm glad don't work for anybody. Being on a committee like that means you'd be pushing the agenda even the bits you don't particularly agree with which would be way worse than simply putting up with it.

I've got a high school aged kid whose on board with the general diversity concepts and he's well aware how collective guilt is used as a manipulation technique. "Just keep your head down" I tell him "pretend you're an atheist ina deeply religious community and seek out the other atheists, avoid the religious fanatics".

His buddies are the same, even the non white ones. They're all sick of it.
 
Manger Douse said:
I don't have evidence Challenor posted transphobic false flags but they have done so in the past
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Who is "they"?

Creating an alt account takes seconds, probably less so if you're an admin but if you have evidence these were long term accounts and not burners how about you present that?
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That's not how burden of proof works. You're the one alleging a conspiracy. But, yes, I have gone through the posting history of people on reddit who have posted transphobic things.

Again, "transphobic people exist" isn't an extraordinary claim.
 
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Squeegee Beckenheim said:
Who is "they"?



That's not how burden of proof works. You're the one alleging a conspiracy. But, yes, I have gone through the posting history of people on reddit who have posted transphobic things.

Again, "transphobic people exist" isn't an extraordinary claim.
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You claim that gender critical is a hotbed of transphobia with content far worse than subs that didn't get the chop so how about you back that up?
 
Manger Douse said:
Why in your opinion was it banned then?
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Because it was a hotbed of transphobia. If you're asking me why it got banned when other subs which are as bad or worse weren't, then I don't know. It wouldn't surprise me to learn that reddit having trans staff wasn't a coincidence, but that doesn't support a claim that anybody in general, or Challenor in particular posted transphobia as a false flag operation in order to get those subs banned.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
Because it was a hotbed of transphobia. If you're asking me why it got banned when other subs which are as bad or worse weren't, then I don't know. It wouldn't surprise me to learn that reddit having trans staff wasn't a coincidence, but that doesn't support a claim that anybody in general, or Challenor in particular posted transphobia as a false flag operation in order to get those subs banned.
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But you've got no evidence it was a hotbed of transphobia, that these posts were frequent and supported by the group - as I said, anyone can spam hate - the fact that an admin has false flagged in the past is irrelevant to that last part
 
Emily's Cat said:
Some say yes, some say no.
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The some who say its not cancel culture are correct, the some who say it is, are wrong.

Reddit, like Instagram, Google, Twitter, Facebook, Disqus, etc are a privately owned platforms. Its is exactly the same as private ownership of property - I will permit the Green Party and the Labour party to put election signs in my front field next to the main road. The National Party, ACT and the Conservatives can go take a running jump.

Reddit etc, are under no legal obligation whatsoever to host any content they don't want to, or that they disagree with (just as I am under no obligation to have right wing parties putting signs in my paddock) and when they are denied, they are NOT "cancelled", they are free to go find someone who will let them put their signs in their paddock, or another host for their content.

End... of... story.
 
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Private company or not, I think there's a discussion to be about how Reddit isn't vetting people moderating the children's subs - I'm not sure it would even be legal to work with kids in the UK without a criminal background check
 
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