The Biden Presidency

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Stacyhs said:
DING, DING, DING, DING, DING!! We've seen some classic examples of this and yet we keep getting told that we shouldn't use the 'stupid' word when describing the Trump base because it alienates them. Yes, the truth can hurt really piss people off.
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I know everyone has different outlooks on what "stupid" is, but there really isn't a world where Trump would fall into it. He might not be smart in the ways he claims or thinks, but he is not a stupid man.
 
bruto said:
That would be silly, of course, but it's sillier than that, because the first time and the next time were, it seems, the same time. Only in the minds of the disciples of a stable genius can a person be simultaneously competent and incompetent and blameworthy for both.
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True, it should be...
angrysoba said:
“Biden’s lost his marbles! He sounds demented!”
“He seems okay to me.”
“That’s only because they gave him BRAIN DRUGs!!!1!”
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He sounds demented and fine at the same time. Evidence for dementia is that he sounds demented and also doesn’t at the same frickin time.
 
rdwight said:
I know everyone has different outlooks on what "stupid" is, but there really isn't a world where Trump would fall into it. He might not be smart in the ways he claims or thinks, but he is not a stupid man.
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Most definitions for "stupid" include basic information-processing ability. It's not the same as ignorant; an ignorant person can learn, a stupid person can't, or doesn't think he needs to. Trump certainly has a primitive instinct for self-preservation and for appealing to his base, but that doesn't negate his underlying stupidity.
 
rdwight said:
I know everyone has different outlooks on what "stupid" is, but there really isn't a world where Trump would fall into it. He might not be smart in the ways he claims or thinks, but he is not a stupid man.
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He is stupid. He's demonstrated it again and again with unforced errors.

As for his schtick and his con, he only looks smart because he developed a con and he exploits it again and again.

At some point maybe he made a few lucrative real estate deals, borrowed money with no collateral. I think money laundering was involved once no US banks would loan any more money to him. Plenty of Russian oligarchs and some rich Chinese willing to trade for certain things like visas and hiding money in condos and other properties.

But Trump is no more the genius than the Wizard of Oz behind the curtain was a wizard.
 
Stacyhs said:
I agree. I wasn't as much what Trump said, but how he said it. You could tell he was just winging it. He just opened his mouth and whatever entered his pea brain, poured out.
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Trumps speeches always reminded me of the answers I see from my undergraduate students when they don't know the answer, so they just bluster on hoping that you don't notice that they are faking it, and if they say enough words, maybe you'll give them partial credit because, at some point, they may have said something that addresses the question.

I'm not so flippant to say that it is what ignorant people think knowledgeable people sound like, because even in that case, they know that it is bluster.

Sarah Palin was also especially bad at this. She could say a lot of words and not address a question. Actually, Palin was especially adept at using the approach of "answer the question by restating the question"

"Why are days longer in the summer than in the winter?"
"We know that days are longer in the summer than in the winter. The length of days are determined by how long the sun is shining, and in the summer, the sun shines more than it does in the winter. Therefore, that is why days are longer in the summer than they are in the winter."
 
pgwenthold said:
Trumps speeches always reminded me of the answers I see from my undergraduate students when they don't know the answer, so they just bluster on hoping that you don't notice that they are faking it, and if they say enough words, maybe you'll give them partial credit because, at some point, they may have said something that addresses the question.

I'm not so flippant to say that it is what ignorant people think knowledgeable people sound like, because even in that case, they know that it is bluster.

Sarah Palin was also especially bad at this. She could say a lot of words and not address a question. Actually, Palin was especially adept at using the approach of "answer the question by restating the question"

"Why are days longer in the summer than in the winter?"
"We know that days are longer in the summer than in the winter. The length of days are determined by how long the sun is shining, and in the summer, the sun shines more than it does in the winter. Therefore, that is why days are longer in the summer than they are in the winter."
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Yes, let's dance a little sidestep.

 
Trump is a middle-brow con artist who appeals to (cons) middle-brow followers. Much more intelligent wannabes are taking note of Diaper Don's faux populism and these are the ones that are really worrying.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
But you were talking about all US wars.
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Oh, I am sure that Suburban Turkey was, but I was poking the borax at that by pointing out that the real "Forever War" has pretty much been raging in Afghanistan (what the article was about) since its foundation when nomads first walked over the mountains and settled there. It has pretty much been invaded and fought with every single major power short of the Roman Empire, and the only real peace they have had in the past goodness knows how long was the Monarchy period after WWII, before there was a coup...

OK, if I read your post incorrectly, my bad.
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I hate explaining attempted comedic jabs, but hopefully, you get the intent now.
 
smartcooky said:
Try reading Stacyhs' post again... more carefully this time.
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Read it just fine. If your quote doesn't imply DT is stupid, I am not sure we are reading the same thing. Sure, the specific word is used for his followers, but the intent is plain as day. Other posters here clearly believe it. Don't want to muddy up the thread more, although conversations about minor gaffes proving senility have continued from Trump to Biden seamlessly. It's more belief than a reasoned conclusion for some people, so debating back and forth seems fruitless for a lot of this stuff.
 
PhantomWolf said:
Oh, I am sure that Suburban Turkey was, but I was poking the borax at that by pointing out that the real "Forever War" has pretty much been raging in Afghanistan (what the article was about) since its foundation when nomads first walked over the mountains and settled there. It has pretty much been invaded and fought with every single major power short of the Roman Empire, and the only real peace they have had in the past goodness knows how long was the Monarchy period after WWII, before there was a coup...
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One of the writers of Sherlock sadly remarked that they didn't have to change Watson's back story at all when updating it, in fact it was still the same bloody war.
 
rdwight said:
Read it just fine.
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Then your comprehension skills need work

rdwight said:
If your quote doesn't imply DT is stupid, I am not sure we are reading the same thing.
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We are -see my first comment in this post

You are reading into the quote something that is not there. The quote, really does NOT imply Trump is stupid, or weak or financially poor; it is all about the perception of him by his base. This is so clear and obvious, I am truly astonished that anyone needs it explained to them.

rdwight said:
Sure, the specific word is used for his followers, but the intent is plain as day.
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See my first comment in this post.
 
Stacyhs said:
DING, DING, DING, DING, DING!! We've seen some classic examples of this and yet we keep getting told that we shouldn't use the 'stupid' word when describing the Trump base because it alienates them. Yes, the truth can hurt really piss people off.
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rdwight said:
I know everyone has different outlooks on what "stupid" is, but there really isn't a world where Trump would fall into it. He might not be smart in the ways he claims or thinks, but he is not a stupid man.
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You are inferring that I think Trump is stupid. I am not. Trump is not a stupid man. I strongly believe he has, at the very least, a reading disability. He likely has comorbid learning disabilities which is not unusual. His orders to his schools to keep his academic records private is evidence that his grades were probably poor. I also believe he is of above average intelligence but is not an intellectually curious man. He is not interested in learning anything that does not directly benefit him financially. He has channeled what intelligence he has into cultivating the Art of the Steal and being able to ************ people. However, his NPD and sociopathy have prevented him from ever really being able to become the actual successful businessman he projects to the world.

smartcooky said:
Try reading Stacyhs' post again... more carefully this time.
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rdwight said:
Read it just fine. If your quote doesn't imply DT is stupid, I am not sure we are reading the same thing. Sure, the specific word is used for his followers, but the intent is plain as day. Other posters here clearly believe it. Don't want to muddy up the thread more, although conversations about minor gaffes proving senility have continued from Trump to Biden seamlessly. It's more belief than a reasoned conclusion for some people, so debating back and forth seems fruitless for a lot of this stuff.
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No, smartcooky was right. My post was about Trump's base being stupid for either not being able to see Trump for what he is or, if they do, still following him anyway.
 
At the risk of repeating what I have said previously, I have had the misfortune to spend several years of my life living with a narcissistic partner.

She was anything but stupid, rather, she was scheming, conniving and cunning, and above average intelligence. She learned very quickly which buttons to push and knew exactly when to push them. She was very manipulative, and knew how to get other people to do her bidding. She was also very adept at determining when others were past their use-by date (no longer useful to her), and dispensed with them quickly. Her entire persona was geared to make her the centre of all things, detecting very quickly anyone who caught on to what she was doing.
 
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Delvo said:
Remember when Biden kept arguing with & attacking the people at his campaign events? It looked simply dysfunctional at the time, but with the last few posts' reminders of Trump's behavior, plus the fact that Biden quit acting that way, I wonder if that was a misguided attempt to move in on Trump's behavioral territory.

Another thing the latest round of Trump posts (in a Biden thread :rolleyes: ) reminds me of is how baffled Trump critics were that anybody could listen to his whining about everybody being against him and think "that's a manly man". The explanation that most of them never figured out was that, when one is attacked from all sides, just calling out one's opponents on their bad behavior is bolder than the perceived alternative, when the perceived alternative is simply cowering & hiding in silence against the attacks. Exactly what form the objection should take is just a secondary detail to the important point, which is to stand up to it in some way at all.
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No, I don't. Was this back when you were describing him as low energy? Or when you guys were saying he wasn't even campaigning? Or some other time where the right (and far left) wing talking points were the opposite of this one?
 
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