Or almost anyone who's not in the US.
There's a reason for that repeated Onion story.
Today's Mass Shooting
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Or almost anyone who's not in the US.
There's a reason for that repeated Onion story.
TellyKNeasuss
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On May 31, 2019, a building engineer killed 12 people in or near the Virginia Beach municipal building. The engineer was not white.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Virginia_Beach_shooting
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Armitage72
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A likely almost mass shooting.
A man was arrested after entering an Atlanta supermarket with two rifles, three pistols, and body armor.
A man was arrested after entering an Atlanta supermarket with two rifles, three pistols, and body armor.
Unless “reckless conduct” is punishable by over a year in jail, his right to buy firearms will not be impeded by this stunt.
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Look, a squirrel!
Yeah, not a surprising response.
Between the Atlanta shooting and the Colorado shooting there were seven other mass shootings and two more since, for a total of 106 mass shootings so far this year. Why are they mostly ignored?
Look, a squirrel.
Probably because they don't fit the narrative. Most mass shootings are either dudes killing their families or gang related and typically use a pistol.
They also don't make most folks go,"****, that could happen to me!"
Thermal
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White squirrels fascinate the forum. Other squirrels, they try to avert their eyes to. At a gut-feeling guess, it's because these overwhelmingly white posters think "it's okay to condemn one of Us, but not one of Them". It's creepy, this Us v Them undercurrent of thought.
Yes, and again: "black mass killers are #BlackPeopleProblems. Expected, accepted, and uninteresting. But if a white shooter shows up at a movie theater or supermarket, hey man, THIS is something to talk about".
The conversation about Today's Mass Shooting should be centered on guns, and their availability. A skeptic should never drop this "why is it always a white guy" race-baiting.
It's not so much creepy as utterly ******* pathetic. The amount of self loathing that is dumped on their entire race is beginning to look worrying.
Behave yourself, to do that would preclude a "look at me" opportunity.
Do you know what would be weird ?
I mean really weird.
It would be weird if somebody made an unsupported assertion in, say, posts 2007 & 2008 knowing that that assertion would be challenged so the person who made those unsupported assertions could call the people who made those challenges a racist.
That would not only be weird, that would be downright greasy. Really Greasy.
But of course, we know something that greasy wouldn't happen, not on a forum such as this as those are more YouTube comments tactics, right ?
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That strikes me as unfair.
When the news talks about mass shooters, they normally mean spree killings by maniacs, not crimes of violence that are explained by more mundane criminal motives.
If a white person kills his whole family, it does not get the same coverage that someone walking into a synagogue with a shotgun might, even if bodycount is similar.
The trope of the gunman attacking public places and killing people who are usually strangers is one that grabs more attention than more routine murders, even those with larger body counts. A triple murder during a robbery is a heinous crime, but it doesn't grab attention like these spectacular spree shootings, which often might be rightly described as incidents of domestic terrorism.
It has more to do with the victims, and how/why they were selected, than with whether the gunman is white or not. Walking into a grocery store and firing indiscriminately, for no understandable criminal motive other than to cause misery, is something that grabs headlines.
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I still don't understand how race is at all relevant to Boulder shooting. It's clearly random victim shooting, thus not relevant to gang violence. It's clearly mental health issue, and those are pretty race neutral. So why even go there ?
This is problem of mental care and gun control. Marginally police reaction. But that's it.
This is problem of mental care and gun control. Marginally police reaction. But that's it.
The data also suffers from a statistical problem. The list is based on homicides over a three year period. Low population counties that happened to have a homicide during this period will pop to the top of such a list. Even if that homicide was the first one the county had seen in decades.
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Up next we will show how police are cool with serial killers by pointing out how many police in the US technically fit the definition of serial killer of 2 or more killings with a cool down period between them. Why police really go to bat to keep these serial killers on the job.
Thermal
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It strikes me as unfair that posters claim that "it's always a white guy", then call anyone disputing that (on factual grounds with supporting data) a racist.
All of which is basically what I said. "It could happen to me" is interesting, but "it happens to them" is a snoozer. Why do the upthread cited black spree killer stories get no attention?
And while I generally agree that the thought of random bullets flying while you are grocery shopping is terrifying, why is the thought of bystander killings in gang drivebys any less so, and worthy of the same attention? Same: it's happening to "them", so whatever.
We see the identical pattern forum-wide. Psycho Amish Massage Parlor shooter was outrageous and worth a lot of opinions because it was a white guy who was anti-Asian (the trendy hate crime). When that narrative fell apart, the thread got quiet. Over and over, the same pattern.
I think you would be very hard pressed to find cops that fit that description. Very few cops even fire their guns on the job let alone actually kill someone. To the extent that other cops rally around such folks, you could just as well say, unions and government bureuacrats rally around such folks.
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"Random" in some sense. But we don't know why that particular store was chosen, since according to news reports the killer lived in Arvada and therefore would have had a number of other grocery stores closer to him.
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White mass shooters are more likely to commit their crimes in public places, which is likely a reason why mass shootings by whites get more coverage.
The situation you described is one in which both whites and Blacks complain about racism: whites complain because there is more coverage of white mass killers and Blacks complain because there is less coverage when the victims are Black.
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Which "upthread" are you referencing? The Virginia Beach spree shooting in 2019 got plenty of coverage. These all seem to follow a pretty similar news cycle, with initial reporting followed by murmurs of gun control, then the entire thing goes down the memory hole.
These most current shootings may stay in the news simply because the gun control murmuring may last longer with the current legislature composition, but I imagine these stories too will pass into obscurity.
I see no double standard when it comes to rampage shootings.
I also disagree with your characterization of the discussion of the Atlanta shooter. I certainly haven't retreated from my original claim that this dude is obviously deeply racist and misogynistic, but it didn't seem like a worthwhile endeavor to try to keep spoon feeding such obvious facts to those determined to ignore them.
If the shooter was offended by anti Muslim attitudes, why would he go to a town known for liberal views and tolerance to shoot random people?
Just one more indication that the motive didn't have a rational basis.
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