Today's Mass Shooting

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Skeptic Ginger said:
Paranoid schizophrenia is pretty severe not to have had a referral of some sort. We don't know if he did or didn't have such a referral. There's been a report he was playing with the rifle last week.
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Who would have made such a referral? For someone who is 18+, wouldn't it have required a family member?
 
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The "poverty + dense population" argument doesn't hold water either.

If one takes a look at the 10 most murderous counties and independent cities in America, you will notice that low population density does not correlate with low murder rates.

For example:

Coahoma County, Mississippi – population per square mile is 45, homicide rate is 37 per 100,000.

Phillips County, Arkansas – population per square mile is 31, homicide rate is 31 per 100,000.

Macon County, Alabama – population per square mile is 35, homicide rate is 27 per 100,000.

District of Columbia – population per square mile is 9856, homicide rate is 27 per 100,000.

Washington County, Mississippi – population per square mile is 71, homicide rate is 25 per 100,000.

Dallas County, Alabama – population per square mile is 45, homicide rate is 25 per 100,000.

(I added DC for comparison.)

Five of the deadliest counties in the country have population density below the average in Appalachia, which is 115 per square mile.
 
Checkmite said:
Well, not quite. Only about 20 million of those 25 are white. But more importantly, those 20 million are being compared by you to the entire population of African Americans, which numbers over 40.6 million.
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Jesus dude... 20 million people is also not anything a reasonable person could call a "small ******* enclave"

Checkmite said:
He should. Where did you pull that "therefore" from? You honestly think that a correlative relationship ought to yield something like "1 crime per 1 poverty"?

ETA: What Delphic Oracle said.
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Obviously not. So how do you interpret that data? Are you saying that 56% of our nation's homicides are committed by the 18% of black people living in poverty out of the 13% that make up black Americans in the total population? That's...let's see, carry the two...something like 2% of the population is committing 56% of the homicides? I find that a little hard to swallow.

I assume that it is spread out more socioeconomically, not confined to the percentage of black Americans living in poverty. So ya, I'm thinking your 2% super-killer thing is out of correlative whack. But I'm open to the data.

Checkmite said:
The "But the Blacks" argument usually requires changing or generalizing the immediate topic.
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Not even putting up a pretense of arguing honestly? Good talk. See ya.
 
Thermal said:
Obviously not. So how do you interpret that data? Are you saying that 56% of our nation's homicides are committed by the 18% of black people living in poverty out of the 13% that make up black Americans in the total population? That's...let's see, carry the two...something like 2% of the population is committing 56% of the homicides? I find that a little hard to swallow.
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Considering that 2% of the US population is 3 orders of magnitude greater than 56% of the homicide victims might lessen the dysphagia a bit.

Perhaps comparing the Black and Hispanic violent crime rates would have been a more productive line for you to have taken.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Name one non-white mass shooter in the US that you are aware of. Other than the Asian guy who shot up Virginia Tech, I don't recall a single one.


I probably have selective memory.
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Probably. Just go back 2 years to Virginia Beach. (Assuming you're defining "mass shooter" as someone who kills more than 3 or 4 people and does it in a public place.)
 
Bogative said:
The "poverty + dense population" argument doesn't hold water either.

If one takes a look at the 10 most murderous counties and independent cities in America, you will notice that low population density does not correlate with low murder rates.

For example:

Coahoma County, Mississippi – population per square mile is 45, homicide rate is 37 per 100,000.

Phillips County, Arkansas – population per square mile is 31, homicide rate is 31 per 100,000.

Macon County, Alabama – population per square mile is 35, homicide rate is 27 per 100,000.

District of Columbia – population per square mile is 9856, homicide rate is 27 per 100,000.

Washington County, Mississippi – population per square mile is 71, homicide rate is 25 per 100,000.

Dallas County, Alabama – population per square mile is 45, homicide rate is 25 per 100,000.

(I added DC for comparison.)

Five of the deadliest counties in the country have population density below the average in Appalachia, which is 115 per square mile.
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Look, a squirrel! :rolleyes:
 
Norman Alexander said:
Here is a summary of the gun laws in Colorado. Regardless of his age, poverty, race, skin-colour or religion, as an outsider I would ask how this known and obviously mentally unstable person ever got access to a high-powered weapon and ammunition.
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This Boulder supermarket shooter had never been involuntarily committed to a mental institution, therefore he passed the mental health part of the background check.

The Virginia Tech shooter had spent time in a mental institution. He passed the check because the commitment was voluntary.
 
Kestrel said:
This Boulder supermarket shooter had never been involuntarily committed to a mental institution, therefore he passed the mental health part of the background check.

The Virginia Tech shooter had spent time in a mental institution. He passed the check because the commitment was voluntary.
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That's... crap.
 
smartcooky said:
The "But the Blacks" argument is simply the "Look a Squirrel" argument for racists.
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TellyKNeasuss said:
Who would have made such a referral? For someone who is 18+, wouldn't it have required a family member?
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I'm not sure what you mean. Yes his family did or did not seek help for him. Remember this is about if his diagnosis is indeed paranoid schizophrenia.

Families are often in denial about such a diagnosis. And at other times they know something is wrong, but not what they can do about it.

And it doesn't help when the police kill mentally ill persons when the police are called to help.
 
For the record:

A mass shooting is an incident involving multiple victims of gun violence. There is no widely accepted definition of the term mass shooting. The United States' FBI follows the Investigative Assistance for Violent Crimes Act of 2012 definition for active shooter incidents and mass killings (defined by the law as three or more people) in public places. Based on this, it is generally agreed that a mass shooting is whenever three or more people are shot (injured or killed), not including the shooters.[1]

Different media outlets and research groups use different definitions for the term "mass shooting" For example, crime violence research group Gun Violence Archive defines a "mass shooting" as "four or more shot (injured or killed) in a single incident, at the same general time and location, not including the shooter," differentiating between mass shooting and mass murder.[2]

The United States' Congressional Research Service acknowledges that there is not a broadly accepted definition and defines a "public mass shooting"[3] as an event where someone selects four or more people and shoots them with firearms in an indiscriminate manner, echoing the FBI's definition of the term "mass murder", but adding the indiscriminate factor.[4]
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