Cancel culture IRL

[johnny karate]

Complicity implies immorality, yeah?

No.

(If so, what exactly did he do wrong?)

Read the first sentence in the post that you quoted (the one you clipped to set up this straw man). It might provide some enlightenment.

 

[Stout]

I didn’t intentionally misread your post. I’m glad you shared the article.

Cheers, I wasn't trying to imply your misreading was deliberate, I see such misreadings happen on here all the time.

Unrelated......

I's like to take this opportunity to gently remind readers that recently another reason to get labeled a racist and get yourself cancelled has resurfaced. It's not a brand new idea and has been covered by the esteemed Teen Vogue a few years previously.

I'm talking about Digital Blackface and it's relation to white people innocently posting those Oprah reaction gifs and memes. Don't do it. It's bad. Really bad.

You've been warned.

 

[johnny karate]

I's like to take this opportunity to gently remind readers that recently another reason to get labeled a racist and get yourself cancelled has resurfaced. It's not a brand new idea and has been covered by the esteemed Teen Vogue a few years previously.

I'm talking about Digital Blackface and it's relation to white people innocently posting those Oprah reaction gifs and memes. Don't do it. It's bad. Really bad.

You've been warned.

Yes, we are all in imminent danger from this scourge that will surely lay waste to countless lives.

Unrelated...

Coffee, canned tuna, and oranges could soon be banned because some random person on a social media app posted something negative about them, and to my understanding, that’s exactly how this works.

You’ve been warned.

 

[Stout]

Yes, it’s a real bummer when the things you say and do have consequences.

Yes exactly ? Only the consequences weren't nearly severe enough to sent a severe enough message that unless you wholy embrace Feels Before Reals culture, you WILL be CANCELLED !

Loss of career ? Childs Play !

What these two deserve is a year in solitary confinement with nothing but bread, water and a copy of White Fragility to keep them company. It seems to work with bibles.

His first day in solitary, he noticed something shoved behind the toilet. It was a “Free on the Inside” Bible. While he had no real interest in it, he began reading it out of sheer boredom. During his four months there, he read it cover to cover five times, and by the time he was finally released from that cell, he had surrendered his life to Christ and was a different man.

 

[Mumbles]

A Georgetown Law professor lost her job due to the following exchange with a colleague on Zoom (her former colleague is currently under review for not pushing back against her alleged racism):

https://twitter.com/hahmad1996/status/1369786323293310985?s=20

People are demanding an audit of her class grades. Makes sense. Law schools are well-known for blind grading in order to reduce bias. I don't know if that's the case for this particular class (not all courses have assessments that can be scored anonymously), but it could be instructive to see how her grades shake out relative to other professors at the law school -- and how Black students perform relative to non-Black students in general. I suspect the university will not be eager to publicly disclose such information, especially if this allegedly racist law professor awarded higher scores to Black students than other faculty members.

The point about blind grading would be an excellent one. Well, except for one problem:

Another third-year student pointed out that Sellers and Batson’s class was a participation-based course, “making Black students particularly susceptible to biased grading” given Sellers’ racist views. A quarter of the final grade is based on “pure class participation,” a highly subjective criterion that gives professors broad latitude to inject their personal prejudices into the grading process. Alarmingly, Sellers made her statement while she and Batson were evaluating a Black student’s performance in class.

And the remark was said during the evaluation of a black student's class participation. That strikes me as what we used to call "not a good look". I suspect many of the black students told one another to avoid Sellers' class (among others) long before this recording was discovered, due to perceived hostility towards them, since that sort of thing happens in universities.

 

[Mumbles]

But it's not like people DON'T spend quite a lot of energy studying why there are racial disparities in academic acheivement and working up how to address them. And when people do propose solutions, they're often derrided as "SJW nonsense" or reverse racism.

And then folks come into a different discussion and say something like "WHy aRN't thr sJws addresSing tHose thINgs?"

It the same as attempt to come into discussions of police behavior and ask 'Why aren't you talking about black on black violence?'

So I don't blame SJWs for ignoring academic disparity. The people working on that right now ARE SJWs.

Well, yeah, and a part of the problem is that the solutions are, in part, the same at each education level. We know (as far as social science can tell us, of course) that, among other things, black students are more likely to be suspended, and for more unimportant reasons, than white students, and that this goes all the way into preschool. And a part of this is that black children are more often seen as outright adults than white students of the same age are - a bias that often is reflected in media where, say, Trayvon Martin or Tamir Rice is aged up are turned into hulking beasts, while white boys that outright rape a classmate or shoot up an event are seen as "young and innocent".

(Although certainly, access to books/computers, nutrition and pollution, and the like also have roles to play, both due to poverty and patterns of discrimination)

 

[Cain]

The point about blind grading would be an excellent one. Well, except for one problem:

Man, it sucks that you can't read.

Also, it's not clear that the class is without a blind-grading component, so it could be useful to compare how Black students were scored relative to non-Black students.

 

[Mumbles]

Man, it sucks that you can't read.

Also, it's not clear that the class is without a blind-grading component, so it could be useful to compare how Black students were scored relative to non-Black students.

It hasn't been disputed yet - and given that the entire discussion is the grade evaluation of a particular student's participation (on a recording left up for at least the students themselves to see, which - by the way, yikes), I suspect it won't be forthcoming.

If the grading was entirely done blind, you'd have a good point - and yes, many law schools do exactly this. Appears to be wrong in this case, though.

 

[Cain]

If the grading was entirely done blind, you'd have a good point - and yes, many law schools do exactly this. Appears to be wrong in this case, though.

You'd almost make a compelling rhetorical point if I had not included an explicit caveat in the very next sentence: "I don't know if... [they had blind-grading in] this particular class." Reading really is fundamental.

Also, it's just not true that grading would have to be "entirely" blind as we might be able to compare how students were scored anonymously -- and, indeed, as mentioned previously, compare this professor to others in the law school.

 

[Elaedith]

You'd almost make a compelling rhetorical point if I had not included an explicit caveat in the very next sentence: "I don't know if... [they had blind-grading in] this particular class." Reading really is fundamental.

Also, it's just not true that grading would have to be "entirely" blind as we might be able to compare how students were scored anonymously -- and, indeed, as mentioned previously, compare this professor to others in the law school.

Yes, but this would require an assumption that truth matters.

 

[Mumbles]

Yes, but this would require an assumption that truth matters.

Or an understanding that openly discussing a particular students grade, in a format where a second student can easily find and distribute it, is in and of itself a serious ethical breach. Being done, along racial lines, by a grader who already has several complaints about public racial behavior is going to lead to serious problems, legal and otherwise, regardless.

(There's also a question about the use of adjuncts, who are easy to fire, but this is more about money than anything else as far as I can tell).

IOW, this sounds very much like a public admission of bias while already violating a student's confidentiality. The students aren't getting what they actually want, but the university can't shrug this one off with any sort of study.

 

[ponderingturtle]

You pretty confident that rape culture didn't exist 30 years back? I'd say it goes back centuries, if not by that precise name.

Naa he is just making fun of the french, after all they don't bathe enough and smell bad what better than a skunk to represent the ultimate frenchman?

 

[ponderingturtle]

Getting fired for being a sex pest isn't "cancel culture". It's just losing your job for being a sex pest. It's certainly not novel.

You say that now but Bill O'Riely would be a case in point that sexual harassment is just a normal part of the work place environment until the #metoo movement canceled him through pressure on advertisers.

Cuomo is rich, and when you are rich they let you do it after all.

 

[Stout]

We might be just days away from Sharon Osborn's cancellation and hopefully they're erecting a wooden stake in the middle of the set of The Talk.

Sharon Osbourne: It's the Cancel Culture, Innit?

Imagine having the audacity to think it's some sort of freeze peach issue to publicly disagree with Megan and Oprah, and that white guy who was there, can't remember his name though.

Down with the alt right MAGA CHUD

All hail Queen Megan.

 

[dirtywick]

let's never forget that millionaire reality TV stars and their drama with their celebrity co workers on TMZ level gossip shows are the real victims in all this

 

[wareyin]

We might be just days away from Sharon Osborn's cancellation and hopefully they're erecting a wooden stake in the middle of the set of The Talk.

Sharon Osbourne: It's the Cancel Culture, Innit?

Imagine having the audacity to think it's some sort of freeze peach issue to publicly disagree with Megan and Oprah, and that white guy who was there, can't remember his name though.

Down with the alt right MAGA CHUD

All hail Queen Megan.

Right? All television personalities are absolutely guaranteed any television show they wish regardless of their actions on and off set! How dare these wokescolds expect anyone to be held accountable for driving away their audience!!! [/conservative]

 

[Stout]

let's never forget that millionaire reality TV stars and their drama with their celebrity co workers on TMZ level gossip shows are the real victims in all this

Yes...my news aggregating site that open up every time I open a new tab insists that I need to pay attention to this. Every Single Day, I just had to go find a ling with cancel culture in the title as off topic/yellow card/AAH defense.

We don't hear too much about the low level, Kroger Andy type cancellation attempts.

 

[Stout]

Right? All television personalities are absolutely guaranteed any television show they wish regardless of their actions on and off set! How dare these wokescolds expect anyone to be held accountable for driving away their audience!!! [/conservative]

Said no one ever, but if Osborne is driving away viewers then it's time she got cancelled. The Wokescolds would be an excellent name to rebrand The Talk with. Calling CBS right now.

 

[dirtywick]

Yes...my news aggregating site that open up every time I open a new tab insists that I need to pay attention to this. Every Single Day, I just had to go find a ling with cancel culture in the title as off topic/yellow card/AAH defense.

We don't hear too much about the low level, Kroger Andy type cancellation attempts.

I can think of two explanations for why we don't hear about them. One is the obvious one, it's just not happening that often. The other is that it is happening often it's just not being reported, and the anti-cancel culture watch dogs are more concerned with hosts of tabloid gossip shows than actual harm to real people.

 

[d4m10n]

We don't hear too much about the low level, Kroger Andy type cancellation attempts.

I'dn't've heard o'em'tall but for my intersection w/ the skeptical community. First one I'd ever seen was a skeptic dude accused of upskirting at TAM.