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Cont: Qanon Conspiracy Theories Part Two

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Here we are again. QAnon = mental illness.

QAnon Supporter Allegedly Fired Paintballs at Army Reservists, Yelled ‘This Is for America’ [lawandcrime.com]
A QAnon supporter allegedly fired paintball rounds at Army reservists at the Wisconsin Army Reserve Center in Pewaukee on Monday, authorities said. Defendant Ian Alan Olson, 31, drove a Subaru covered in spray-painted QAnon slogans, stepped out, yelled “This is for America,” and shot two or three rounds from an AR-15 style gun, according to the affidavit from the Federal Bureau of Investigation (h/t The Daily Beast).
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Olson allegedly reasoned that if the National Guard shot him, he would know they were loyal to the President [ostensibly new POTUS Joe Biden]. They would be loyal to the “people” if they did not shoot him.
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MarkCorrigan said:
I don't get QAnon. I can understand how well meaning people might come to incorrect conclusions about the world and how it is run, and buy into conspiracy theories, but QAnon is just...ridiculous.

JFK was shot by Lee Harvey Oswald, and this fact has been adequately shown to be correct time and time again, but I can understand how someone who does not understand certain topics might buy the idea of a second shooter. Afterall they aren't positing that he was killed by faries, just a second human being, something that shorn of context is a reasonable supposition to investigate.

I can understand why people think that the Titanic was the Olympic. Sure, the theory doesn't make much sense but all it involves is switching ships, something which is technically possible and does not involve anything totally ridiculous or magical.

But politicians are eating children and sending them to other planets to be sex slaves/food? Really? What kind of severe break from reality do you need to have suffered to think this iseven remotely possible WITHOUT looking at the evidence? Sure, the grassy knoll and the Titanic switch fall apart once you look at the evidence, but they are at least not laughable on their face. But QAnon? It's totally bizarre. It would require a serious departure from how the world patently works to believe. I don't get it.
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Yeah I don't get it either. It's so outlandish.

Maybe some of them are just LARPing?
 
kookbreaker said:
And he discovers that National Guardsmen have much stricter ROE than his local police and might not have even been armed. Hope he enjoys the prison food.
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Likely they weren’t. The only times weapons are drawn from the armory is for field exercises, range training, maintenance, or deployment. Even then, ammo would only be issued for ranges (generally at the actual range, not before) and deployment (also at the deployment site, not at home).


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Qanon reminds me of all that Dove of Oneness NESARA stuff.

Every week the Dove, Shaini Goodwin, would have a few new fantastic predictions which never happened. Then a few days later, hardly mentioning that nothing happened, she's have a bunch more.

Some folks bought it.
 
arayder said:
Qanon reminds me of all that Dove of Oneness NESARA stuff.

Every week the Dove, Shaini Goodwin, would have a few new fantastic predictions which never happened. Then a few days later, hardly mentioning that nothing happened, she's have a bunch more.

Some folks bought it.
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It's amazing how easy this seems to be. I believe the Jehovah's Witnesses have just about 100 per cent failure rate. The world keeps not ending when they say it will, but there's always an excuse. William Miller, the founder of the Seventh-Day Adventists, proved with scriptural rigor that the world would end in 1840. One might have expected the religion to die around 1841, but it barely missed a beat.

Though I'm happy to live with purposeless uncertainty and the crazy anomaly of life itself, I can at least understand the urge of some to flock to those who have answers; but I have never understood why they flock to those whose answers have been so consistently wrong.
 
Maybe folks want to believe something so badly that they'll ignore anything to the contrary.
 
bruto said:
It's amazing how easy this seems to be. I believe the Jehovah's Witnesses have just about 100 per cent failure rate. The world keeps not ending when they say it will, but there's always an excuse. William Miller, the founder of the Seventh-Day Adventists, proved with scriptural rigor that the world would end in 1840. One might have expected the religion to die around 1841, but it barely missed a beat.

Though I'm happy to live with purposeless uncertainty and the crazy anomaly of life itself, I can at least understand the urge of some to flock to those who have answers; but I have never understood why they flock to those whose answers have been so consistently wrong.
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Ah, but maybe it's 1840 if year 1 was the year the Seventh-day Adventist Church was founded - 1863. So really it's 3703AD... :boggled:
 
bruto said:
My recollection is that the prophecy was based on Daniel, but of course these things are flexible. I regret that I probably won't be around to see that reset.
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Well lets not be pessimistic shall we? Some yoga, lots of yogurt and some soon to be invented suspended animation stasis - and you should be fresh as daisy then.
 
arayder said:
Qanon reminds me of all that Dove of Oneness NESARA stuff.

Every week the Dove, Shaini Goodwin, would have a few new fantastic predictions which never happened. Then a few days later, hardly mentioning that nothing happened, she's have a bunch more.

Some folks bought it.
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bruto said:
It's amazing how easy this seems to be. I believe the Jehovah's Witnesses have just about 100 per cent failure rate. The world keeps not ending when they say it will, but there's always an excuse. William Miller, the founder of the Seventh-Day Adventists, proved with scriptural rigor that the world would end in 1840. One might have expected the religion to die around 1841, but it barely missed a beat.

Though I'm happy to live with purposeless uncertainty and the crazy anomaly of life itself, I can at least understand the urge of some to flock to those who have answers; but I have never understood why they flock to those whose answers have been so consistently wrong.
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After a while people have so much time, ego and often money invested in these beliefs systems that it's hard to break away.

Often they were desperate before buying in. These folks go from being losers to being valued members of a group. It doesn't make any difference if that group is a dysfunctional.

Family and friends (soon to be ex-friends) tell them they are nuts so the only validation they get are from others in the cult.

Part of the psychology of the group turns toward explaining why the woo doesn't make sense, doesn't fit reality or doesn't work in the real world. The explanations may seem bizarre to us but in the cult they serve the purpose of maintaining the group and the egos of the members.

We call it "going down the rabbit hole".

Every once in a while somebody leaves the group and is public about giving the rest of us a look into the crazy.
 
arayder said:
Qanon reminds me of all that Dove of Oneness NESARA stuff.

Every week the Dove, Shaini Goodwin, would have a few new fantastic predictions which never happened. Then a few days later, hardly mentioning that nothing happened, she's have a bunch more.

Some folks bought it.
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Not to mention the Iraqi Dinar revaluation scam that was popular a decade ago (and briefly resurged due to trump). Week after week after week after week you'd hear the same "This is it, everything is ready, they've done the rehearsal and are ready to throw the switch" - followed by some incredibly miniscule excuse (ie. person x, usually some low level official, just happened to be out of town that week, so they couldn't do the revaluation). My personal favourite was the time when they couldn't do it due to it being Easter week :rolleyes:
 
Many QAnon followers report having mental health diagnoses -- including paranoid schizophrenia and Munchausen syndrome by proxy

In court records of people arrested in the wake of the Capitol insurrection, 68% reported they had received mental health diagnoses. The conditions they revealed included post-traumatic stress disorder, bipolar disorder, paranoid schizophrenia and Munchausen syndrome by proxy – a psychological disorder that causes one to invent or inflict health problems on a loved one, usually a child, in order to gain attention for themselves. By contrast, 19% of all Americans have a mental health diagnosis.
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QAnon Offenders in the United States. (pdf link)

More than 40% of the 31 QAnon offenders
who committed crimes before and after the
Capitol riot radicalized after experiencing a
traumatic event. These experiences
included the premature deaths of loved
ones; physical, emotional, or sexual abuse;
and post-traumatic stress disorder from
military service. 83% of the female offenders in this sample experienced trauma prior to their radicalization that involved the physical and/or sexual abuse of their children by a romantic partner or
family member. These women appear to
have been drawn to the QAnon conspiracy
theory due to a narrative that casts followers as key players in the fight against child exploitation and sex trafficking.

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The three QAnon supporters who committed homicides
have documented mental health concerns. Two
of them were found to be mentally unfit to stand
trial and were transferred to mental health care
facilities. All six of the female offenders who
committed crimes before and after the Capitol
riots have documented mental health concerns.
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Whenever I hear of someone accused of a crime reporting (as opposed to providing evidence of) diagnosis of mental illness, I always want to consider the possibility that they may be setting up a diminished-capacity defense. But the article does say that the reports of mental illness diagnosis was, in some cases, gleaned from social media or other possibly pre-Capitol statements. So it may be more accurate to characterize QAnon beliefs as yet another symptom of an underlying or covalent condition.
 
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