Ed Corona Virus Conspiracy Theories....

[Foster Zygote]

Bollocks.

You can't show me where I claimed that, because I never did.

I did say I've seen American CNN all over the world, but I haven't been able to travel outside the US since Fauci became a rock star.

********!

In post 2460, you wrote:

Fauci... has been anointed Holy See by the Panic-Porn Press and seems to be the most photographed and quoted person on the International Web.

[Bolding and highlighting mine.]

I then pointed out that you don't seem to understand how the internet works. You then replied:

At the very least, I've watched CNN on TVs all over the world.

So, unless that was a total non sequitur on the order of "my cat's breath smells like cat food", you were implying that you had personally seen Dr. Fauci on CNN all over the world as a justification for your claim that he has international influence. And in order to have seen Dr. Fauci on CNN anywhere, you would have to have done so within the last year, implying that you were "all over the world" since the first U.S. lockdown orders.

 

[varwoche]

While I'm here I can as well drop two links...

Your flimsy attempts to deflect from the stream of rank lies you've posted here will not fly.

Please provide evidence that people you know have died due to social distancing. This can be accomplished, in part, with links to the news stories. Your relationship to these unfortunate victims isn't provable, so I'll take your word on that aspect.

Well?

 

[Tom Palven]

********!

In post 2460, you wrote:

[Bolding and highlighting mine.]

I then pointed out that you don't seem to understand how the internet works. You then replied:

So, unless that was a total non sequitur on the order of "my cat's breath smells like cat food", you were implying that you had personally seen Dr. Fauci on CNN all over the world as a justification for your claim that he has international influence. And in order to have seen Dr. Fauci on CNN anywhere, you would have to have done so within the last year, implying that you were "all over the world" since the first U.S. lockdown orders.

Bollocks.

 

[marting]

Someone had emailed me about some site called americasfrontlinedoctors.com

Snopes has a bunch of articles on these bozos and their nonsense. Has anyone else heard of them?

The one doc, Simone Gold, was even spotted at the 1/6 Insurrection. She keeps talking about that the current vaccines are experimental vaccines. I don't know what she's on about; once you go through all that testing, and all those human trials, at some point you're not actually experimental anymore. I just assume for these non-pandemic experts, that the standards for a 'non-experimental' vaccine are suddenly much taller.

Yep. Simone Gold was arrested for her activities at the Capitol. Here's the charging document.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/page/file/1356551/download

 

[Craig4]

I give you Doctor Stella Immanuel, one of their members:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...r-coronavirus-hydroxychloroquin-a9642826.html

"In one video from 2013, the doctor attributes medical conditions such as endometriosis, fibroids, and cysts to “spirit husbands”, demons that have sex with women while they sleep.

“They are responsible for serious gynaecological problems,” Dr Imman said. “We call them all kinds of names—endometriosis, we call them molar pregnancies, we call them fibroids, we call them cysts, but most of them are evil deposits from the spirit husband.”

"“They’re using all kinds of DNA, even alien DNA, to treat people,” she reportedly says in one sermon from 2015."

"She has also previously suggested that the government is run in part by non-human reptilians in a 2015 sermon, according to The Daily Beast.

“There are people that are ruling this nation that are not even human,” Dr Immanuel reportedly said in a 2015 sermon."

I know,when I heard about her last summer, I put on a silk bathrobe, chilled a bottle of Champagne and waited out in my very private pool garden for a nocturnal sex demon to show up. All I got were mosquito bites. Very disappointing.

 

[Craig4]

Bollocks.

Is there some reason one of the world's leading experts on pandemics shouldn't have global influence?

 

[Foster Zygote]

Bollocks.

In other words, you're frustrated that you can't weasel out of a lie that was easily exposed, so you're going to respond with a petulant exclamation to emphasize the fact.I

Basically, any time you are proved wrong you will just respond with, "bollocks".

 

[Foster Zygote]

Is there some reason one of the world's leading experts on pandemics shouldn't have global influence?

I'm sure there are epidemiologists all over the world who are consulting one another, sharing data (when allowed by ruling parties) etcetera. But Tom's insistence that Dr. Fauci is the only person claiming that COVID-19 is dangerous is just asinine. He's already displayed his provincialism, and I'm sure he initially parroted the "it's all Pope Fauci" line with no thought to the rest of the globe. But now that the untenability of that claim has been pointed out, he can't admit he was mistaken, any more than he could admit he was wrong about riding high-speed rail from London to Liverpool.

 

[Blue Mountain]

Blue Mountain, as a second starting point, cue Uncle Luka:

If you search for it, you'll find a long list of countries with less stubborn and/or more corrupt leaders who took the money.

That's one country out of 176 that have reported deaths from the virus. Please explain the other 175, especially the ones that don't require assistance from the IMF.

Although you may have stated your position on the pandemic earlier, could you please restate it now? Or point to a post where you did so? In your opinion:

1. Is there a disease known as COVID-19 caused by the SARS-CoV-2 virus?
2. Have there, or have there not, been 119 million cases reported in 237 countries?
3. Has it, or as it not, cased 2.6 million reported deaths in 175 countries?
4. Is there, or is there not, a global pandemic of this disease?

For each point, please explain why you believe the answer you gave and how you came to that conclusion.

For the record, here's my take:

1. Yes. The Chinese first reported cases from Wuhan in 2019, sequenced the virus's DNA, and released the genome in January 2020. No credible source has denied the fact such a virus exists.
2. Yes, the virus has caused some 119 million reported], and these cases represent pretty much every country in the world. For 237 countries, ranging from very open democracies to hard totalitarian dictatorships to report cases of a non-existent disease strain credulity.
3. Yes, the virus has caused some 1.6 million reported], and these cases represent 75% of the countries reporting cases. For 175 countries, ranging from very open democracies to hard totalitarian dictatorships to report deaths due to a non-existent disease strain credulity.
4. Points 2 and 3 require the conclusion there is a global pandemic in progress,

 

[Agatha]

Please get back to within 4ft 8.5 inches of the topic, which is conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 pandemic. Any more discursions into low speed vs high speed rail (or other subjects not on topic for this thread) will be treated with as many yellow cards and/or suspensions that a former British Rail employee can muster.

To be clear, let there be no more derailment.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Agatha

 

[Childlike Empress]

Although you may have stated your position on the pandemic earlier, could you please restate it now? Or point to a post where you did so? In your opinion:

1. Is there a disease known as COVID-19 caused by the SARS-CoV-2 virus?
2. Have there, or have there not, been 119 million cases reported in 237 countries?
3. Has it, or as it not, cased 2.6 million reported deaths in 175 countries?
4. Is there, or is there not, a global pandemic of this disease?

The way you formulate your bullet points makes it very easy to answer for me. I won't elaborate here and now on why I hold those opinions. I've invited you to follow some railroads, and I've posted links to some relevant articles, that's all you are going to get atm.

1. Yes, "known" in the common wisdom kind of way.
2. Yes, somewhere in this region of numbers, "cases" were "reported". (I'll accept that your unsourced figures are "common wisdom")
3. Yes, somewhere in this region of numbers, deaths were "reported". (I'll accept that your unsourced figures are "common wisdom")
4. Yes, if we take the definition of the WHO which was changed in IIRC 2009.

 

[Blue Mountain]

The way you formulate your bullet points makes it very easy to answer for me. I won't elaborate here and now on why I hold those opinions. I've invited you to follow some railroads, and I've posted links to some relevant articles, that's all you are going to get atm.

1. Yes, "known" in the common wisdom kind of way.
2. Yes, somewhere in this region of numbers, "cases" were "reported". (I'll accept that your unsourced figures are "common wisdom")
3. Yes, somewhere in this region of numbers, deaths were "reported". (I'll accept that your unsourced figures are "common wisdom")
4. Yes, if we take the definition of the WHO which was changed in IIRC 2009.

Thanks! The sources were directly from Wikipedia article , COVID-19 pandemic by country and territory (permalink to the page I used), specifically the first table Total cases and deaths. That page got its numbers from a multitude of sources around the world and across the web. I wouldn't use the phrase "common wisdom;" these are the number actually reported by 238 countries around the world, as gathered by public health officials in those countries and collated by an extensive group of editors on Wikipedia.

ETA: Now that I know you're not denying the pandemic exists, I can examine your claims in that light. For you it's not a case of "if the pandemic was real, then why <this>?" It's more along the lines of, "There's a pandemic going on, and here are some strange things happening around it." It makes your claims more interesting and worth looking into.

 

[Blue Mountain]

All right, Caroline13 and Tom Palven, time for you to step up to the plate. I'm interested in your answers the following questions:

1. Is there a disease known as COVID-19 caused by the SARS-CoV-2 virus?
2. Have there, or have there not, been 119 million cases reported in 238 countries?
3. Has it, or as it not, cased 2.6 million reported deaths in 175 countries?
4. Is there, or is there not, a global pandemic of this disease?

 

[Axxman300]

While I'm here I can as well drop two links to very interesting articles on a blog I found yesterday. I don't agree with everything, but it contains good original research and on the German angle I can confirm the general picture she paints:

China and the ‘Great Reset’

We are in the middle of an information war

Please spare me any nonsense and especially ad hominem nonsense replies. I know those long reads go over most "participants" heads, but for those who can take useful information from them, be my guests.

Whelp, I guess German people who are paranoid can't help themselves. International Demokratischer Widerstand? Seriously?

 

[Tom Palven]

All right, Caroline13 and Tom Palven, time for you to step up to the plate. I'm interested in your answers the following questions:

1. Is there a disease known as COVID-19 caused by the SARS-CoV-2 virus?
2. Have there, or have there not, been 119 million cases reported in 238 countries?
3. Has it, or as it not, cased 2.6 million reported deaths in 175 countries?
4. Is there, or is there not, a global pandemic of this disease?

1. Covid-19 was a common cold coronavirus back in 2019, As with novel flu viruses that require new vaccines every year, CV-19 has already mutated away.

2. Yes, millions of cases of something have been reported.

3. No, it has not caused those deaths

4. No, there is no global health plague, there is is a global mass movement related more to political science than to biological science that has been labeled a pandemic by a panic-porn sensationalist press and a combination of medical-related interests and pharmaceutical interests, imvho. YMMV.
https://www.amazon.com/True-Believe...sr=8-1&keywords=the+true+believer+eric+hoffer

 

[Cosmic Yak]

I'll let others deal with the rest of this, but this one's mine:

1. Covid-19 was a common cold coronavirus back in 2019,

Tom Palven, why do you think Covid 19 is so called?
(There's a clue that I've highlighted).
Well done, by the way, for finally at least attempting to answer some questions. Perhaps now we can get past the lecturing and scorn, and begin a proper discussion.

 

[Cosmic Yak]

Posts get moved sometimes in this forum.

Sometimes it can seem like it takes a while, but they got to this one sometime since I posted it 11 months ago.

Aha!

Tom Palven:
Did you see what happened there? You asked a question. Another member answered it, with a proper answer.
This helped you, and probably made Delphic Oracle feel good too, for being helpful.
Perhaps now you could return the courtesy. When someone asks you a question, give them a proper answer. Then you'll help them, and feel good about it yourself.
You could start with my question about the inconsistencies in the article you posted on H1N1, if you like.

 

[Tom Palven]

Tom Palven:

You could start with my question about the inconsistencies in the article you posted on H1N1, if you like.

I don't know what H1N1 is.

Could you just tell me what these inconsistencies are, or perhaps start with one inconsistency at a time?

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Maybe google it?

 

[TheSupermeerkat]

I don't know what H1N1 is.



Could you just tell me what these inconsistencies are, or perhaps start with one inconsistency at a time?

Attempting to avoid the question.