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Cancel culture IRL

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Thermal said:
The idea here is to get bogged down in irrelevant precise definitions, that cannot then be perfectly defended. Nothing matters here but the points on the scoreboard, sailor. Get on message.
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I do feel a bit bogged down, but for the sake of endless repetition: Kroger Andy was subjected to the sort of online public shaming designed to have him sanctioned/sacked, but he wasn't actually fired as a result. I call this an example of "cancel culture" because the definition of the phrase I'm using hinges on the public performance of shaming rather than the result.

(Incidentally, we couldn't've known the end result in advance.)
 
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Cuomo describes the calls for his resignation as "cancel culture", using the phrase twice during his defensive press conference today.

Apparently it's woke-scolds gone wild to demand that the governor not be a serial sexual harasser.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Getting fired for being a sex pest isn't "cancel culture". It's just losing your job for being a sex pest. It's certainly not novel.
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People are publicly calling for him to be fired for doing something shameful, but it's not an example of cancel culture?
 
d4m10n said:
People are publicly calling for him to be fired for doing something shameful, but it's not an example of cancel culture?
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Sure, if you take the broad, to the point of meaningless, definition of cancel culture. If anyone ever exercises any moral judgement or has expectations of personal conduct ever, then it's cancel culture.

Last night I tried to fight the bartender and the bouncer cancelled me out the door. My wife cancelled me out the house when she discovered I was having an affair with a high schooler. My job canceled me when I came into work 3 hours late and wasted, and I got canceled by a cop while trying to break into a parked car.

Cancel culture sure has run amok these days.
 
johnny karate said:
Yes, I’m sure Pepé Le Pew was meant to be a commentary on a concept that wouldn’t exist for another 30 years.

More brilliant insight.
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What wouldn't exist for another 30 years ? Consent ? Restraining orders ?

Read the quote about the scene that was shot back in June 2019. It's not too far upthread, I'm sure you'll be able to find it and maybe, you'll find the source too.
 
Brainster said:
A little more context on her age at the time:
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So, governments apologise for past wrongs and everything is ok, but a person must live with their past forever.

Sounds fair enough.

I've said and done lots of things I disagree with in the past, and when I was 17/18 - entirely due to cultural bias from growing up in a harshly anti-gay household - I was violently anti-gay.

Then I grew up and met the rest of the world.

But I should be hanged for what happened prior.

SuburbanTurkey said:
Getting fired for being a sex pest isn't "cancel culture". It's just losing your job for being a sex pest. It's certainly not novel.
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Not getting ahead of yourself a little?

Has he been convicted of something?

I have no issue with consequences for actions, but hanging someone on allegations ain't right.

I'm sure there has never been a previous case where all the allegations turned out to be made up, so you're probably right - shoot him now and be done with it.

Oh for the days when Blackstone's ratio was understood.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Sure, if you take the broad, to the point of meaningless, definition of cancel culture.
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Personally I don't think it's all that overbroad; could count on one hand the number of people I've ever tried to get sanctioned or sacked using the tools of public shaming.
SuburbanTurkey said:
If anyone ever exercises any moral judgement or has expectations of personal conduct ever, then it's cancel culture.
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You're leaving off some key aspects of what "cancel culture," should be taken to mean, IMO.
 
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The Atheist said:
Not getting ahead of yourself a little?

Has he been convicted of something?

I have no issue with consequences for actions, but hanging someone on allegations ain't right.

I'm sure there has never been a previous case where all the allegations turned out to be made up, so you're probably right - shoot him now and be done with it.

Oh for the days when Blackstone's ratio was understood.
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Being governor is not some intrinsic human right, nor is "not being a convicted criminal" the standard of conduct for such an office.

Cuomo has lost all confidence from his fellow party members as a result of this ever growing scandal. Politically speaking, he's unable to lead. He should resign and spare everyone the trouble of impeaching him.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Sure, if you take the broad, to the point of meaningless, definition of cancel culture. If anyone ever exercises any moral judgement or has expectations of personal conduct ever, then it's cancel culture.

Last night I tried to fight the bartender and the bouncer cancelled me out the door. My wife cancelled me out the house when she discovered I was having an affair with a high schooler. My job canceled me when I came into work 3 hours late and wasted, and I got canceled by a cop while trying to break into a parked car.
Cancel culture sure has run amok these days.
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Rough week, buddy?
 
The Atheist said:
Has he been convicted of something?
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Did anyone see where that goalpost went? Anyone?

White people couldn't even wait for black people to get convicted when they owned the racists courts and could easily get them convicted to haul them out of the jails and lynch them.

But now we have to run a trial for every racist person run out of their job?

If I walked into my boss's office right now and took a crap on his desk, he wouldn't convict me of anything to rightfully fire me.
 
d4m10n said:
Personally I don't think it's all that overbroad; could count on one hand the number of people I've ever tried to get sanctioned or sacked using the tools of public shaming. You're leaving off some key aspects of what "cancel culture," should be taken to mean, IMO.
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Not necessarily.

Just to stick with the Gina Carano theme, how many people do you think directly wrote Disney to ask for her firing, vs did it on Twitter, vs complained about her on Twitter, vs complained about her on other social media, vs complained about her in person, vs simply stopped watching the show?

Because I'd argue that's all part of the same phenomena.

Anyway, what Cuomo is doing with "cancel culture" is a shameful example of why the term, which is pretty new, is already becoming meaningless and impossible to defend. It's also why people are using it as a political wedge in a culture war is bad for the public if it's allowed to continue.

Not only is Cuomo a public figure, but he's a public servant, which means there's a public interest in what he says and does which makes this make even less sense than normal. Typically those people who are calling for his resignation are called "voters." I'm sure he's angling for a "cancel culture is bad, we support Cuomo no matter what he did" response which is a bit far fetched for a NY Dem governor. But then again uttering a magic phrase that results in everyone tolerating their ******** would be nice for a politician of any party, and a lot of other people too.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Cuomo has lost all confidence from his fellow party members as a result of this ever growing scandal. Politically speaking, he's unable to lead. He should resign and spare everyone the trouble of impeaching him.
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Agreed. Even if he is innocent of these accusations, he needs to put the party first.

dirtywick said:
...what Cuomo is doing with "cancel culture" is a shameful example of why the term, which is pretty new, is already becoming meaningless and impossible to defend.
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He's literally being publicly shamed and told to step down; seems like a quintessential example of what it means to cancel someone these days.
 
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d4m10n said:
Agreed. Even if he is innocent of these accusations, he needs to put the party first.
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Oh, he's not innocent. He's admitted to making some of the comments and things he's done and admitted to hiding the covid deaths. He just doesn't think he did anything wrong.
 
dirtywick said:
Oh, he's not innocent. He's admitted to making some of the comments and things he's done and admitted to hiding the covid deaths.
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I don't think it's sensible to lump all these accusations together, e.g. risqué comments alongside sexual assault.
 
d4m10n said:
I don't think it's sensible to lump all these accusations together, e.g. risqué comments alongside sexual assault.
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We're not. YOU ARE. The whole point of turning "Cancel Culture" into this scare term is to do exactly that, treat social consequence and legal reprisals as the same thing.

He's not going to prison. He's (maybe) losing his job and/or status in a political organization. That's it.
 
d4m10n said:
I don't think it's sensible to lump all these accusations together, e.g. risqué comments alongside sexual assault.
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OK, but even if you don't believe all of it, you don't think admitting to sexual harassment in the workplace and concealing public health data that makes you look bad is enough to allow people to be upset?

Or is that just cancel culture run amok again? For me, covering up COVID deaths to pad your stats is enough for him to offer his resignation and playing the victim of cancel culture makes it worse. But that's me.
 
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