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Caroline13 said:
I'm not going to make a guess, Americans live all over the world...:rolleyes:
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You don't have to guess. You can look it up.

World population is (Googles) currently around 7,800 million.
US population is (Googles again) currently around 330 million.

So about 4.23% of human beings are Americans and 95.77% of human beings are not Americans.

When I said the 95% of us are getting on with it, the "it" is defeating the Covid-19 virus. The USA is also getting on with it but there seem to be a lot of loudmouths making a great hullabaloo about how terrible an infringement it is to them that they might be expected to do the bare minimum to assist the dedicated people actually fighting and beating this disease.

That is not to say the US is unique in having crackpots and chancers trying either to thwart progress or make money out of fake cures, but there do seem to be people, even in this thread, who have such a parochial view that they imagine the whole world is ablaze with the same arguments they see at home. It ain't so.
 
Caroline13 said:
Great Barrington Declaration

For any who care to move out of the mainstream thinking of masks, distancing, lockdowns, etc etc. or think to open mind to more than mainstream babble.

https://gbdeclaration.org/
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Try To Keep Up.

For those who care to move out of the crackpot thinking that the Great Barrington declaration was a good idea at the time, or that it even matters any more now that vaccines have already eaten its lunch.

https://www.covidfaq.co/Claim-The-G...-to-lockdown-0781e7d968d1472aac6981edd980edba
 
Jack by the hedge said:
You don't have to guess. You can look it up.

World population is (Googles) currently around 7,800 million.
US population is (Googles again) currently around 330 million.

So about 4.23% of human beings are Americans and 95.77% of human beings are not Americans.

When I said the 95% of us are getting on with it, the "it" is defeating the Covid-19 virus. The USA is also getting on with it but there seem to be a lot of loudmouths making a great hullabaloo about how terrible an infringement it is to them that they might be expected to do the bare minimum to assist the dedicated people actually fighting and beating this disease.

That is not to say the US is unique in having crackpots and chancers trying either to thwart progress or make money out of fake cures, but there do seem to be people, even in this thread, who have such a parochial view that they imagine the whole world is ablaze with the same arguments they see at home. It ain't so.
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The average American has no idea what language is spoken in Australia, and this is reflected in the candidates they elect into public office at the City, County, State, and Federal levels. We're not all dumb, just outnumbered.
 
Caroline13 said:
Great Barrington Declaration

For any who care to move out of the mainstream thinking of masks, distancing, lockdowns, etc etc. or think to open mind to more than mainstream babble.

https://gbdeclaration.org/
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A conservative think tank in the outskirts of Great Barrington sponsored a junk idea which has not gotten any smarter as people have learned more.

By the way, I lived for a number of years in Great Barrington. It's not that great either.

By the way, noting that many people signed the declaration, lest you get carried away and in the customary contradictory confusion succumb to the lure of authority, make sure you realize that the requirements to sign on were quite minimal. The large number of signatories is by no means a large number of people who know what the hell they're talking about.
 
bruto said:
A conservative think tank in the outskirts of Great Barrington sponsored a junk idea which has not gotten any smarter as people have learned more.
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Unlike almost all of Caroline13's other links, this isn't crackpottery or bogus beliefs. It's actually the approach Sweden mostly took then have backed away from.

It's a policy decision that the economic and mental costs of NPIs are higher than the costs of the disease with minimal NPIs such as hand washing, etc. They do say protecting the vulnerable should be done (perhaps setting themselves apart from the Germans in the 30's). The problem, much like Sweden, is that this seems to be quite difficult. Yet, it has happened to some degree automatically. Cases, as a proportion of people over 65, are significantly lower in people over 65 since about April when the disparate impact on the elderly became widely known.

But only to a degree. 500K deaths in the USA would be more like 800k deaths had not older folks smartened up.

That said, the cost to all of NPIs is significant and there is a relevant question as to how many excess deaths are preferable to the collective impact of NPIs? In a bad flu season we might be able to prevent 50k deaths by the same level of NPIs applied to Covid. We have not done that in the past. So at what point are the NPIs preferable to deaths avoided? 50k deaths, 200k deaths? 500k deaths?, 1M deaths?

It's a policy question and different countries will have different answers. That said, the decision should not be made on the expectation that magically, the vulnerable will be protected. That has proven an illusion.
 
Pixel42 said:
I think the problem is that many uneducated or poorly educated people have never learned how to properly inform themselves. They think that just reading stuff pretty much at random counts as research, and enables them to reach valid conclusions. But it's not enough to love learning, you first have to learn how to learn. Learn critical thinking skills first, and then you can educate yourself. Just read anything that takes your fancy, and all you'll do is confirm whatever prejudices you started out with.
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Not every educated person is an Orthodox Faucian Covidist:
https://www.newsweek.com/stanford-d...-public-health-mistake-weve-ever-made-1574540
 
Caroline13 said:
What planet are you on, 95% getting on with it????
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Let's see, China has stopped "testing" almost a year ago and they broadcast Wuhan parties to "Western" audiences. In Russia it's over. India has never adopted the thing, as "social distancing" just isn't possible there. Most of South America even up to Mexico has never heard of this stuff. Same with most of Africa, and some of Eastern Europe. That leaves about 15% of the world population in the grip of this moronic narrative. Of which, at least 25% are not getting along with it.
 
Childlike Empress said:
Let's see, China has stopped "testing" almost a year ago
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Interesting. So how does the recent news that China is now also testing using anal swabs in some cases in addition to the more usual forms of testing match up with that?

Childlike Empress said:
In Russia it's over.
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In Russia, not too long ago, they admitted that the COVID death toll was more like triple what they had been reporting. Further, Russia had been exerting government pressure to conceal COVID deaths. I could go on with how very, very wrong you are in every example that you tried to raise, but meh. Not like I expect you to care about reality.
 
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