Isn't there also an issue of supply, such that many countries aren't able to get access to the vaccines at any price? That could be a factor in choosing suboptimal options.
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Isn't there also an issue of supply, such that many countries aren't able to get access to the vaccines at any price? That could be a factor in choosing suboptimal options.
This is nonsense. All vaccine are biological. The vaccines were designed to generate immunity; that is what they do. The phase 1 studies showed that people given the vaccine developed antibodies against the virus. That is what immunity is. They were designed to and shown to produce an immune response. In phase 2/3 studies they were tested in a large number of people to show that they prevented illness, and to look for side effects / safety. We know that in real use the vaccines are very successful at preventing death and serious illness. We know that from the phase 2/3 trials and the current phase 4 (post marketing) studies. We know that they significantly reduce transmission and asymptomatic infection. you may remember that during the phase 2/3 trials the trial was halted because of a possible adverse reaction, given that these were placebo controlled trials some of these reactions turned out to be in the placebo group. So the safety was confirmed, and surveillance continues to look for rare adverse reactions. The size of the studies for the covid vaccines and the detail are no different from those of any other vaccine. Still I know that since you do not believe in any vaccines the fact that covid vaccines are as well tested as any other vaccine will make no difference to you. You have your preconception, vaccines unnatural; vaccines bad. Smallpox natural; smallpox good. I am a bit puzzled about why you think ascorbic acid is good, why is this chemical a good chemical and other synthetic products bad? Why is zinc a good element and fluorine a bad one?
You believe in the 'frontline physicians' (all less frontline than me), not because they have any expertise or have done any research in covid but because they do not challenge your prejudices. We know that their advice is bad, they promoted hydroxychloroquine, a drug that studies have shown is ineffective. Cognitive psychology has shown people rate as higher quality opinions that agree with peoples pre-conceptions and you demonstrate this perfectly. Objectively this is an extremely low quality source of evidence. Published trials from different groups done in different countries coming to the same conclusions you ignore.
So why bother to reply, you are not going to change a lifetime of exploiting the fact that other people take vaccines to protect you whatever I say. However other people may read this and I do not want your nonsense to go uncorrected.
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Good thing that the vaccines will be tested like no drug in human history: we will get the data from hundreds of millions if not billions of people on side-effects and efficacy.
abaddon
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That info has been removed now. Probably because it's stupid, alarmist nonsense.
I doubt any serious or educated medical or even legal commentator on the subject would refer to COVID as "the bug". That's the wording of the uneducated.
And this was on the Motley Fool website, which is about stock market trading and investments and the like. Methinks you have been randomly Google-mining again.
Not quite. Caroline simply posted a borked link. (Note the elipsis in the middle of it).
That is not testing. That is following up on actual vaccinations.
abaddon
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Your list is almost entirely a list of known cranks, quacks and snake oil salespeople. And that somehow impresses you?
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This won't change your skepticism:
https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2021/03/05/tony-fauci-and-the-swine-flu-hoax-betrayal-of-trust/
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Norman Alexander
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That's odd.
You referred to yourself in the third person. Given that you are not QE2, this is the sort of dumb slip-up a very bad imposter makes. Are you SURE you are an 82-year-old woman?ETA:
Carrot Flower King
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Hey, what have you got against Deepak Chopra and Andrew Lying Trousers Fraudy Pants Wakefield?
Seriously, that is a list of people I wouldn't trust to tell me the time: shills for fake products; crackpots who can barely spell "science", let alone understand and use it; and a couple of duff journalists with axes to grind, who are distinctly not "researchers".
They are scarcely "censored" as all of us here, including you, have mangaed to read what they've written, their websites and the like or seen their films/videos, which is how I know that this is a bunch of frauds, charlatans, snake oil sellers and the like. If they were really "censored" I couldn't know that, could I?
Craig4
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That's due to your failure to understand rather basic science.
Cosmic Yak
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You're right, it will not change my scepticism. Scepticism means following the evidence, and I see no reason to stop doing that.
That article won't change my beliefs either. I assume you have done your research, so you will know how Atkisson's CBS article refutes the claim made in the Rappoport piece that cites it as evidence. What are your thoughts on this?
Did you link to this as an excercise in critical thinking, just to show how sloppy and dishonest conspiracy theory claims like this actually are? If so, what have you learned from this?
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Fauci is NIAID. NIAID is under NIH, a part of HHS, of which CDC is also.
Only missed by three degrees of separation.
None of those agencies can make law-like rules leading to any kind of oppressive crackdown on those not conforming with their guidance and recommendations.
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MarkCorrigan
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Again for Tom, and now Caroline I guess. Rappoport works closely with David Icke and seems to agree with him on many issues. Do you think David Icke is a reliable source of information?
Childlike Empress
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Include me in. Your "guilt by association" trick is baseless, MarkCorrigan. David Icke is a reliable source of information. When he comes up with very weird stuff like the Reptilians and the hollow moon, he does say so. "It's very weird, I've heard it from this or that chap." But the core of his message, MarkCorrigan, you might want to consider. It is still very weird, but it might be the truth.
MarkCorrigan
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No, no it might not be.
There are of course things we must be wary of when it comes to the ultra-wealthy and governments. There is no doubt truth in the claims that governments often do things that are, knowingly or unknowingly counterproductive for their citizens. There is a great risk is swallowing what governments tell you whole and that there is quite likely issues with rich people rubbing shoulders with people in positions of great power. Backroom deals, special interests, favourable outcomes for the select few...I agree this is reasonable to believe in and insidious. But this is neither unique to these lunatics nor is it the core of their philosophy.
But the core of Icke's insanity is that the world is fictional and that we effectively live in the Matrix. This is nuts. Even discounting his obvious reptilian lunacy the core of Icke's belief is not "have a healthy level of suspicion" but "reality is a lie". This is patently not true.
He claims he can walk on coals and lava because we live in a virtual reality. The mechanics of lava and fire walking are well understood and are to do with the poor conductivity of the material being walked upon. If you are fast enough you can walk across blisteringly hot rocks. However, if reality were a lie as he claims and this is why he can do it rather than the science, why doesn't he give a whole lecture standing on hot coals? I mean, if the reason they don't burn him is that he "realises they aren't real" then time spent on them should have no impact, right?
David Icke is insane. David Icke endorses The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, a known forgery. David Icke got his start down the path to insanity after visiting a psychic and claiming that he was a prophet.
Please, tell me what elements of David Icke's obvious ******** philosophy and clear break from reality are compelling to you?
Incidentally, it is not guilt by association if Rappaport works with Icke on his book and publishes jointly. If you support Rappaport but not Icke then you must explain why their collaberation does not indicate that maybe Rappaport is orbiting Jupiter as well.
Derail, doesn't that refer to the conception of Mary not Jesus?
bruto
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Yes, it does. Interestingly, and not surprisingly, even my wife, who was brought up Catholic, went to catechism, and all that ****, got this mixed up.
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MarkCorrigan, I have followed David Icke's work quite a bit, but never heard him saying that he can walk on coals and lava.
What I see as the core of his message is that we are all one. One Consciousness. And I know that to be true. In this mindset, you cannot be "racist" or "antisemitic" or whatever you want to call it. You are a part of the whole. A necessary and unique one.
What I see as the core of his message is that we are all one. One Consciousness. And I know that to be true. In this mindset, you cannot be "racist" or "antisemitic" or whatever you want to call it. You are a part of the whole. A necessary and unique one.
As my girlfriend said, when in the queue at the post office to the bloke behind her who was pushing those ideas
"Ah thanks, I'll ignore the experts now because a random bloke at thr post office told me it was all a conspiracy"
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