Ed Corona Virus Conspiracy Theories....

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Cosmic Yak said:
Actually, my post was more for the benefit of Caroline13.
The effects of cognitive biases on our judgement are fairly common knowledge on this forum. I'm not sure to what extent she is aware of them- I certainly didn't know much about this before I joined this forum. Since then, I have learned a great deal, both from what's been posted here, and the further reading this forum has inspired me to do, and this better understanding has proved invaluable.
I'm hoping the same thing will happen with Caroline13- a bit of reflection on how she arrived at her conclusions, and a better understanding of how things like confirmation bias can skew our reasoning.
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Unlikely since she claimed DNA was obviously a preservative and runs away or ignores anyone who questions her on that fact.
 
Cosmic Yak said:
Actually, my post was more for the benefit of Caroline13.
The effects of cognitive biases on our judgement are fairly common knowledge on this forum. I'm not sure to what extent she is aware of them- I certainly didn't know much about this before I joined this forum. Since then, I have learned a great deal, both from what's been posted here, and the further reading this forum has inspired me to do, and this better understanding has proved invaluable.
I'm hoping the same thing will happen with Caroline13- a bit of reflection on how she arrived at her conclusions, and a better understanding of how things like confirmation bias can skew our reasoning.
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That's a good point. My purpose in interacting on various boards and researching stuff is to discover new info and, most critically, info that changes my current understanding of things. The latter I most highly value. Confirmation bias is ever present but recognizing and overcoming it to absorb conflicting or probable facts is essential. It's not easy though. I learned a long time ago how essential it was in my engineering job to test new ideas and not go down a rabbit hole no matter how attractive the idea seemed.
 
Pixel42 said:
If the virus mutates into a form which the vaccines we've developed are ineffective against it will be a major setback, putting the tentative schedule for returning to normal back by many months.

Did you really not know that?
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Well, that's what I've been led to believe over most of my 75 years- that viruses mutate all the time- coronaviruses, flu viruses, rhinoviruses, etc., and the human immune system usually fights them off unless it is inherently weak or has been compromised, even novel flu viruses and novel coronaviruses, which it seems occur every year.
 
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Tom Palven said:
Well, that's what I've been led to believe over most of my 75 years- that viruses mutate all the time- coronaviruses, flu viruses, rhinoviruses, etc., and the human immune system usually fights them off unless it is inherently weak or has been compromised.
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There is a very important word. Consider the implications. Then consider how well, or otherwise, the human immune system fights off, for example, the ebola virus.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
He and every other epidemiologist.
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NOT SO.

Get your friggin Immune Systems strong and you don't need to worry aboout this and that mutation. Then what would you talk about, a good immune system, lord no.

As for me I have good health and as I've said many times here I live with a damaged body from a major hip surgery (replacement) 10 yrs ago....and yes some 60 yrs of arthritis that started at 18 and it does not reverse with age, one manages it and many work to stay away from the surgeon's knives...I often think where I'd be had I not let them cut me up.
 
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Caroline13 said:
NOT SO.

Get your friggin Immune Systems strong and you don't need to worry aboout this and that mutation. Then what would you talk about, a good immune system, lord no.

As for me I have good health and as I've said many times here I live with a damaged body from a major hip surgery (replacement) 10 yrs ago....and yes some 60 yrs of arthritis that started at 18 and it does not reverse with age, one manages it and many work to stay away from the surgeon's knives...I often think where I'd be had I not let them cut me up.
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"My medical conditions afflicted me through no fault of my own; medical conditions afflicting other people are evidence of low character."

I think this attitude speaks volumes.
 
Caroline13 said:
NOT SO.

Get your friggin Immune Systems strong and you don't need to worry aboout this and that mutation. Then what would you talk about, a good immune system, lord no.

As for me I have good health and as I've said many times here I live with a damaged body from a major hip surgery (replacement) 10 yrs ago....and yes some 60 yrs of arthritis that started at 18 and it does not reverse with age, one manages it and many work to stay away from the surgeon's knives...I often think where I'd be had I not let them cut me up.
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Why do you keep ignoring people Caroline? Why do you think we can't see just how intellectually bankrupt you are?

Why, for example, did you simply assert without evidence that the person I knew who died must have had a compromised immune system despite not knowing him at all, whereas I, who did know him, knew that he did not? Indeed, I even told you he did not.

I don't have a compromised immune system per se, but I've still been instructed very firmly to shield and have been put on the "Underlying Conditions" section of the immunisation program. This is because I was born with 3 congenital heart defects. Now one of them has been completely cleared up and does not bother me, but one needs regular (as in, I've had 3 or 4 operations on it so far) surgery, and the other is literally not fixable. Therefore should I get COVID19, my heart and breathing could be put under unacceptable strain and I could die. This isn't a problem with my immune system, but I bet you will insist it is.
 
Delphic Oracle said:
"My medical conditions afflicted me through no fault of my own; medical conditions afflicting other people are evidence of low character."

I think this attitude speaks volumes.
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I get the same impression. The apparent inability to see anything beyond its immediate effect on her also helps solidify this assessment. She had a bad experience with a hip replacement, therefore all hip replacements are a bad thing. Furthermore, all surgeries of any kind are bad. This is certainly consistent with the self-centered belief that not yet personally knowing anyone who has become seriously ill or has died from COVID-19 is evidence that it's all fake.

ETA: I only know a couple of people who have had hip replacement surgery, but both were given much improved mobility afterward. I also have a friend who had a knee replacement in his mid sixties (he'd seriously injured that knee in the U.S. Army during jump training as an Airborne Ranger, and it finally deteriorated to the point that he could hardly walk, or drive his '74 911 Targa, which really annoyed him) and after recovering from the surgery he was able to be physically active again, which was very important to him.
 
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Caroline13 said:
I often think where I'd be had I not let them cut me up.
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Probably in pain from a deteriorated hip.

I'm sorry you were among the small percentage who are in pain after hip replacement. But you said yourself in another post that you were informed that there were risks. Why would you still assume that you would be guaranteed a successful outcome? Why would you assume that all hip replacements are bad?

HSS

"The success rate for this surgery is high, with greater than 95% of patients experiencing relief from hip pain. The success rate of hip replacements 10 years after surgery is 90- 95% and at 20 years 80-85%. Should an implant wear or loosen, revision to a new hip replacement is possible."
 
Matthew Ellard said:
So how does the human body magically already have antibodies ready for new mutations "Caroline"?

Is it magic? Do tell us. :p
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Did normal human immune systems manage to fight off NEW cold and flu viruses for hundreds of thousands of years without the benefit of flu shots and cold medicines, and now have suddenly become incapacitated?

How has the immune system ALWAYS fought off NEW (novel) viruses?

Keep the Covidist Faith, please.
 
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Tom Palven said:
Did normal human immune systems manage to fight off NEW cold and flu viruses for hundreds of thousands of years without the benefit of flu shots and cold medicines, and now have suddenly become incapacitated?

How has the immune system ALWAYS fought off NEW (novel) viruses?

Keep the Covidist Faith, please.
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wow, you don't know why -

It appears you missed or did not pay attention in Biology class... and lack an understanding of science and mortality... and history, etc

Explain why you think covid is fiction.
 
Tom Palven said:
Did normal human immune systems manage to fight off NEW cold and flu viruses for hundreds of thousands of years without the benefit of flu shots and cold medicines, and now have suddenly become incapacitated?

How has the immune system ALWAYS fought off NEW (novel) viruses?

Keep the Covidist Faith, please.
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Like it managed to fight of Smallpox or Polio or Rabies you mean?
 
Tom Palven said:
Did normal human immune systems manage to fight off NEW cold and flu viruses for hundreds of thousands of years without the benefit of flu shots and cold medicines, and now have suddenly become incapacitated?

How has the immune system ALWAYS fought off NEW (novel) viruses?

Keep the Covidist Faith, please.
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Viruses have always killed people. Vaccines and effective medicines have helped reduce the number of deaths. A major reason that the average human lifespan is higher than it has ever been and continues to increase is the effective application of modern medicines, including vaccines.

Considering it is a new virus the immune systems of humans are doing a remarkable job of fighting off COVID-19. Only 1 to 2 percent of the cases result in death, and a high percentage of people recover without hospitalization because their immune systems are successfully fighting the virus. The advantage of a vaccine is that it gives a significant assist to the human immune system and will significantly reduce the number of deaths and serious cases beyond what immune systems alone can accomplish. Reducing this year's 2.5 million worldwide deaths by 90% next year would be a good thing, right?
 
beachnut said:
wow, you don't know why -

It appears you missed or did not pay attention in Biology class... and lack an understanding of science and mortality... and history, etc

Explain why you think covid is fiction.
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Right from the get-go the vague Chinese Weapons lab and Pangolin stories smelled fishy, and I began gathering facts.

There are thousands of people on their last legs, dying of colon cancer, congestive heart failure, or whatever, who "die today" of diarrhea and dehydration from what doctors and nurses call C. diff (see-diff, Clostridium difficile bacteria), which doesn't often affect doctors and nurses, but just people whose immune systems are compromised, or whose "good" bacteria have been killed by antibiotics.

Does the death certificate say that the cause of death was dehydration, diarrhea, or C. difficile?

No, usually the death certificate states only the primary cause.

Except, apparently, in the Presidential-election year, where Covid-19 was listed as the cause of death for people in nursing homes on hospice care, and political science trumped biological science.

Also, FactCheck confirmed that hospitals get a large government bonus when they report covid as a contributing factor in deaths, whereas they don't for C. diff. FactCheck pulled that report, but the same info is available elsewhere.

If hospitals were paid to report C. diff as a death co-factor, fearmongers could report millions of C. diff deaths world-wide every year.

I went over all this ad nauseum at Skeptics.com with quotes from The True Believer: Thoughts on the Nature of Mass Movements and other sources, connecting a lot of dots that indicate that Covid-19 is less a catastrophic plague, and more a colossal fiction. It's still there to see, and I won't repeat it here.

Imvho, if we could explain why billions of people have come to believe that an angel hovered over the Virgin Mary causing her to give birth to the Son of God who died for our sins, that it might go a long way toward explaining what kind of economic and political factors interacted to cause billions of people to accept the notion that a common-cold coronavirus is a plague of Biblical proportions and the flu has mysteriously disappeared.
 
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Tom Palven said:
Right from the get-go the vague Chinese Weapons lab and Pangolin stories smelled fishy, and I began gathering facts.

Much snippage
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He he :p

Well, that nicely sums up the conspiracy-without-a-purpose in the USA. It all has to do with electing your president and making sure your for-profit hospitals are worthy of the name.

Now, where do the non-USA parts of the planet fit in?
 
Tom Palven said:
Right from the get-go the vague Chinese Weapons lab and Pangolin stories smelled fishy, and I began gathering facts.
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I share Steve 's amusement!

Where from? A bartender? A decades old comedy bit? Conan O'Brien show? Ron Paul newsletter?
 
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