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Ed The Cuomo Scandal.

varwoche said:
I haven't observed a single instance. Quite the opposite, as Firestone's sampling demonstrates. And I'm not surprised one bit.

That's a result of filtering things through an ideological bent.
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Let's not play dumb.

Some strong voices have come forward to condemn his behavior, including calls for resignation. That's good.

Plenty of Democrats are clearly taking a "wait and see approach", calling for investigations (or not) but not outright condemning his actions or demanding resignation. Progressives are rightly criticizing this as a blatant hypocrisy.

While Democrats across the country are not rallying behind Cuomo, few are calling for him to step down. For now, Rep. Kathleen Rice is the only Democrat from New York’s congressional delegation to explicitly call for Cuomo’s resignation.

That’s in contrast to the treatment of former Minnesota Sen. Al Franken, who ultimately bowed to pressure from within his own party to step down in 2018 after facing accusations of sexual impropriety from several women.
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https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-donald-trump-new-york-andrew-cuomo-coronavirus-pandemic-53449773e6510c0b8218c818535fa0d4

Seems to me Cuomo is cooked. Dragging this thing out is to no benefit. The party needs to disavow this toad, demand resignation, and move on.
 
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Firestone said:
The simple reality is that there are credible allegations about Cuomo, and that elected Democratic politicians in New York City/State are NOT giving him a mulligan.

That reality seems disturbing, even incomprehensible, to some people on the left and on the right, but hey, "it is what it is", as another known sexual predator once said.
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Sadly, a lot of people on the left in many internet forums are giving his a pass, and what is both amusing and scary is they sound exactly like Trump supporters in doing so.
Bunch of nothing, being blown out of proportion by the media, etc.'
Sae Chris Cuomo recusation last night. Not good enough. he should be suspended until this is settled one way or the other.
 
mumblethrax said:
He’s probably doomed. His leadership style (berating anyone who disagrees with him) ensures that people will turn on him if they sense weakness.
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I work for a pretty successful company that had about 300 people in the local office before covid.

In 9 years I never heard someone yell at a coworker or an junior person. Where does the notion that it is okay come from?
 
dudalb said:
Sadly, a lot of people on the left in many internet forums are giving his a pass, and what is both amusing and scary is they sound exactly like Trump supporters in doing so.
Bunch of nothing, being blown out of proportion by the media, etc.'
Sae Chris Cuomo recusation last night. Not good enough. he should be suspended until this is settled one way or the other.
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I'm sorry, but this is a false equivalence.

The problem with Trump's many (alleged) crimes, sexual predation, and general misbehaviour, was not that anonymous Internet figures (like, say, our very own logger), were defending him come hell or high water. It was that most Republican Senators, House members, etc were doing it.

You just don't see this with Cuomo. Randos on the Internet? Sure. Elected Democrats? Not a lot, quite the contrary.
 
Firestone said:
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I'm sorry, but this is a false equivalence.

The problem with Trump's many (alleged) crimes, sexual predation, and general misbehaviour, was not that anonymous Internet figures (like, say, our very own logger), were defending him come hell or high water. It was that most Republican Senators, House members, etc were doing it.

You just don't see this with Cuomo. Randos on the Internet? Sure. Elected Democrats? Not a lot, quite the contrary.
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Indeed. You'd think "people are saying..." wouldn't be something that people say here for various, obvious reasons. In addition to your spot on point, we don't know if the observation is statically significant, and we don't know if the 'reporter' has characterized what the people are saying accurately.
 
varwoche said:
Indeed. You'd think "people are saying..." wouldn't be something that people say here for various, obvious reasons. In addition to your spot on point, we don't know if the observation is statically significant, and we don't know if the 'reporter' has characterized what the people are saying accurately.
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By being democratic politicians, they are choosing to associate themselves with the randos on the internet by being members of the same group. They are owning it.
 
BobTheCoward said:
By being democratic politicians, they are choosing to associate themselves with the randos on the internet by being members of the same group. They are owning it.
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What randos? Prove they exist. Prove they are statiscally significant in number. Prove they are actually saying what is being suggested.

And with this gibberish as a foundation, "they are owning it"! What a joke.
 
varwoche said:
What randos? Prove they exist. Prove they are statiscally significant in number. Prove they are actually saying what is being suggested.

And with this gibberish as a foundation, "they are owning it"! What a joke.
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All it takes is one random democrat, and every democrat owns it.
 
BobTheCoward said:
All it takes is one random democrat, and every democrat owns it.
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Seeing that there are random bozos on the internet representing every demographic posting absurd things on every topic under the sun, that means in The World According To Bob, every politician owns everything all the time. Meaningless on steroids.
 
varwoche said:
Seeing that there are random bozos on the internet representing every demographic posting absurd things on every topic under the sun, that means in The World According To Bob, every politician owns everything all the time. Meaningless on steroids.
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Only the politicians that identify with a group
 
I'm a bit confused by all this "double standard" talk.

I can't think of a particular Republican being pressured to resign over something comparable to sexual harrassment in the form of unwanted flirting.

I'm not trying to minimize what Cuomo did, I see it as wholly innappropriate and good reason for him to step down (if there hadn't already been MORE than enough reason for him to be ousted already from the Covid numbers coverup).

As far as I can recall, the highly publicized calls for Republican heads on a platter seem to have come from much more dire accusations. I mean Roy Moore was accused of "dating" underaged girls. Trump has been accused of rape. Kavanaugh's accusation was not for unwanted flirting.

For there to be any meat to a "double standard" accusation, we'd have to be looking at something comparable, right?

Again, I don't think "Have you ever dated an older guy?" is something a governor should say to a staffer, but I don't see it as anything like what democrats have been calling for GOP to lose their jobs for. I feel like there's weird lumping in of any misconduct in any way related to sex as though it was the same thing. I'm happy to consider a sleezy oblique come-on as a fireable offense for a governor, that's fine, I'm on board.

But considering it comparable in any way to rape and child abuse? That feels crazy sauce to me.
 
It says here:

$1.2 Million Awarded to Town of Irondequoit to Ensure Public Health by Replacing At-Risk Waste Water Pump Station
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I predict the next scandle: The pump don't work cos the vandles stole the handals.
 
On sexual misconduct allegations I say the same for Cuomo as I do for anyone; If we don't know, then we don't know. Alleged victims tend to be believable, but to go from believable to taking legal action against the accused or ruining his career is a bold step.

The best we can do, and I think there has been progress here, is getting women to report misconduct as soon as possible. Five years later, seven years, a decade later...what are we supposed to do with an accusation? Even if we cannot bring closure to every case, I think a general heightened awareness of sexual harassment/assault is the best way to handle the crisis and encourage women to tell.

Course Cuomo should still pack his bags and resign for the other scandal.
 
If anyone still thinks the parties are the same, Republicans are doubling down on treason and sedition while Democrats are wisely abandoning their wounded.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Let's not play dumb.

Some strong voices have come forward to condemn his behavior, including calls for resignation. That's good.

Plenty of Democrats are clearly taking a "wait and see approach", calling for investigations (or not) but not outright condemning his actions or demanding resignation. Progressives are rightly criticizing this as a blatant hypocrisy.



https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-donald-trump-new-york-andrew-cuomo-coronavirus-pandemic-53449773e6510c0b8218c818535fa0d4

Seems to me Cuomo is cooked. Dragging this thing out is to no benefit. The party needs to disavow this toad, demand resignation, and move on.
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This sounds pretty typical of "progressives" to me. Organise the firing squad first and then do the investigation into if the guy was actually guilty after he's been buried, if even then as it's far easier to just assume that he must have been guilty because allegations are enough to determine guilt, and that way you don't even need to bother to investigate.
 
PhantomWolf said:
This sounds pretty typical of "progressives" to me. Organise the firing squad first and then do the investigation into if the guy was actually guilty after he's been buried, if even then as it's far easier to just assume that he must have been guilty because allegations are enough to determine guilt, and that way you don't even need to bother to investigate.
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It's typical of all groups with zeal for change, whatever direction.
 
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