Cancel culture IRL

[johnny karate]

Or we could keep trying to be ethical without demanding perfection from anyone. Just a thought.

Not looking for perfection, just consistency.

 

[johnny karate]

Most actors are credited. What level of ideological conformity should we expect from them?

No one demands any level of ideological conformity from actors.

 

[johnny karate]

If only I could have such confidence based in *checks notes* speculation at best.

If only your confidence in how this situation was handled mattered.

 

[Distracted1]

No one demands any level of ideological conformity from actors.

Nonsense.

 

[johnny karate]

Nonsense.

Cite required.

 

[d4m10n]

No one demands any level of ideological conformity from actors.

Tell that to Gina Carano.

 

[johnny karate]

Tell that to Gina Carano.

Why would I tell that to Gina Carano? She didn’t lose her job because she failed to conform ideologically. She lost her job because she repeatedly behaved like a jack ass. This is well documented. If I had a message for her, it would be “Don’t behave like a jack ass”.

 

[d4m10n]

Why would I tell that to Gina Carano? She didn’t lose her job because she failed to conform ideologically.

This is obviously false. Every controversial tweet was ideological from start to finish. Look up what the word means.

 

[johnny karate]

This is obviously false. Every controversial tweet was ideological from start to finish. Look up what the word means.

That her jack-assery was a product of her ideology doesn’t mean that she lost her job because she failed to conform ideologically. She lost her job because of her jack-assery. Again, very well documented.

 

[d4m10n]

That her jack-assery was a product of her ideology doesn’t mean that she lost her job because she failed to conform ideologically. She lost her job because of her jack-assery.

You seem to be assuming there is some way she could've made those same points without coming off as a jackass. I remain, as ever, skeptical.

 

[johnny karate]

You seem to be assuming there is some way she could've made those same points without coming off as a jackass. I remain, as ever, skeptical.

This weird little pity party you seemed to be throwing for adults who can’t manage basic social interaction aside, none of this means she lost her job for failing to ideologically conform. She lost her job because of her behavior and her decision to continue with that behavior. Once again, this has been documented.

 

[Emily's Cat]

1. I don't believe you
2. Mainly because they are still happening and you... aren't. Like now you aren't worried about them.

Wow. Okay then. You just think I'm a liar because... what? I'm not actively railing against inquisitions, witch burnings, crusades, McCarthyism, religious persecution, and blacklisting? Even though those are the historical events that I reference as support for why I think overzealous mob justice is a horribly bad idea?

It would be really helpful if you had some sort of explanation or references for what I'm not doing that you think I should be doing that implies that I'm a liar. Your assertion from your 'holier-than-thou' pedestal doesn't actually cut it.

You've insinuated several times that I'm "proudly wrong", but you've failed to provide any real information regarding what it is that I'm wrong about, verification of the wrongness in the first place, or even a reasonable description of my apparently unacceptable level of hubris.

 

[Distracted1]

This weird little pity party you seemed to be throwing for adults who can’t manage basic social interaction aside, none of this means she lost her job for failing to ideologically conform. She lost her job because of her behavior and her decision to continue with that behavior. Once again, this has been documented.

The "behavior" of making posts on social media?
This is something Disney prohibits its' actors from doing?

 

[Emily's Cat]

Until you start applying moral and ethical standard uniformly, this question has no value.

Tell you what... why don't you give us an outline of your moral and ethical framework, and how you yourself go about applying those standards uniformly, so we've got a starting point from which to talk?

 

[johnny karate]

The "behavior" of making posts on social media?
This is something Disney prohibits its' actors from doing?

When those posts express bigotry and conspiracy theories and you’re a series regular on their flagship show, it seems like the answer to that is “yes”.

Such is the enduring hardship of millionaires who get paid to pretend to shoot laser guns.

 

[johnny karate]

Tell you what... why don't you give us an outline of your moral and ethical framework, and how you yourself go about applying those standards uniformly, so we've got a starting point from which to talk?

Sorry, I can’t help you form a moral and ethical framework. This is something that most psychologically healthy adults manage on their own.

 

[Stout]

Now, here's the odd part: the people who had a bug up their asses about Brie Larson's comments on diversity (which basically amounted to "Maybe some movies aren't made for the overwhelmingly old white men who make up movie reviewers, and they should consider adding other viewpoints to review sites.")?

It's not anyone on the left. It's almost entirely the same Simpson Characters that were in Gamergate, attacked Anita Saarkesian, and screamed about the size of She-Ra's boobs in the Netflix series.

Do we have any reason to think that it's not just yet another one of these balloon monkeys - especially given their ling-running habit of posing as black people or women (or especially black women) to push nonsense like #Endfathersday into the mainstream?

I suppose it could be a false flag deep cover psyops by 4chan operatives but it doesn't make sense.

it's my understanding those guys are all young straight white turbo virgins and to call for the replacement of the eye candy in a movie their inner geeks won't let them miss is actively working against their own interests.

I'll wait for the big exposé rather than jump to conclusions.

 

[Stout]

Let me know when she’s cancelled and we can discuss it.

This may be upsetting but.....Failed cancellations, cancellations in progress and backfired cancellations are all a part of the larger cancel culture discussion.

 

[Stout]

You seem to be assuming there is some way she could've made those same points without coming off as a jackass. I remain, as ever, skeptical.

She could have simply said no to the whole pronouns thing and come up with something other than a Holocaust reference to seek that coveted conservative-as-victim status. Getting hunted like animals, maybe ?

We have a local politician who pulled a Carano and used the Holocaust to rail against Canada's new gun laws and is now whining that's she's a victim of cancel culture.

It looks like the conservatives are learning the SJW crybully shtick.

 

[d4m10n]

She could have simply said no to the whole pronouns thing and come up with something other than a Holocaust reference to seek that coveted conservative-as-victim status. Getting hunted like animals, maybe?

Doesn't work, IMO. The point was to paint one's ideological opponents as irredeemably evil, but hunters just tryna eat.

It looks like the conservatives are learning the SJW crybully shtick.

Remind me when the SJW shtick got someone fired.