In addition, money spent on homoeopathic treatments in the NHS in the UK could have been spent on real medicine, potentially saving lives. (Thanks to the Good Thinking Society, the NHS has now ceased funding homoeopathy.)
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In addition, money spent on homoeopathic treatments in the NHS in the UK could have been spent on real medicine, potentially saving lives. (Thanks to the Good Thinking Society, the NHS has now ceased funding homoeopathy.)
Caroline13
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A glass of water does NOT get me to sleep. And I worked up a sleep combo about close to 30 yrs ago when I went thru menopause...So much changes at this point in our lives. I'm never without Calms, Inositol, 1mg Melatonin, L thyptophan and B6 which is all for my 8-10 hrs of healing sleep.
Continued good sleep with your glass of water.
arthwollipot
Limerick Purist
Homeopathy is not harmless, as I have already pointed out.
Mojo
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Jack by the hedge
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Homeopathy is like a tissue paper seatbelt: It won't actively hurt you but it's completely ineffective, it's not going to save you and not knowing this puts people in genuine danger.
If you were travelling to a country with malaria, would you take real antimalarial medication which has been tested and demonstrated to work, or take a homeopathic antimalarial treatment which is a sugar pill and some reassuring patter?
arthwollipot
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Note: There are people who do the second thing, and they catch malaria.
SezMe
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What is it that you lose every day that needs restoration every night?
SezMe
post-pre-born
As I first quickly scanned this part I read that as "hair balls".
Worst part is that it still made sense. EHocking
Penultimate Amazing
For such a healthy person you sure do take a lot of pills.
I don’t take anything regularly and I sleep like a baby every night.
SezMe
post-pre-born
Big Suppositories?
EHocking
Penultimate Amazing
For all the good they do you, you might as well stick them up your arse.
Innuendo is Italian for suppository btw.
arthwollipot
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As I have pointed out before, the global supplement industry is a multi-billion dollar business built on the myth of "wellness" - a word that only exists because they were prevented by law from making any claims of actual medical efficacy. Big Supp has a vested interest in making you think that you can't be healthy without a range of vitamins, dietary augmentations, and "nutroceuticals" - a ghastly portmanteau which again only exist because they're not allowed to call them pharmaceuticals.
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so is water
Fairy tales are harmless too. You keep on believing them "Caroline". The rest of us grew up.
Norman Alexander
Penultimate Amazing
So let's see what these ingredients really are:
Calms Forte:
Avena Sativa - Oat straw
Calcarea Phosphorica - Calcium phosphate
Chamomilla - Chamomile extract
Ferrum Phosphoricum - Iron phosphate
Humulus Lupulus - Extract of hops
Kali Phosphoricum - Potassium phosphate
Magnesia Phosphorica - Magnesium phosphate
Natrum Phosphoricum - Sodium phosphate
Passiflora - Passion flower extract
So a bunch of phosphate salts more commonly used for toothpaste and cement. Some weak extracts of flowers, aka tea. And extract of oats, aka weak porridge. And somehow it is supposed to help you sleep.
Fortunately at 3X and 4X dilutions, one drop is likely to contain so little of each that they are completely ineffective. Probably no more concentrated than dissolved salts and vegetable tannin in typical tap water. In fact, this compound could indeed BE tap water!
Calms Forte:
Avena Sativa - Oat straw
Calcarea Phosphorica - Calcium phosphate
Chamomilla - Chamomile extract
Ferrum Phosphoricum - Iron phosphate
Humulus Lupulus - Extract of hops
Kali Phosphoricum - Potassium phosphate
Magnesia Phosphorica - Magnesium phosphate
Natrum Phosphoricum - Sodium phosphate
Passiflora - Passion flower extract
So a bunch of phosphate salts more commonly used for toothpaste and cement. Some weak extracts of flowers, aka tea. And extract of oats, aka weak porridge. And somehow it is supposed to help you sleep.
Fortunately at 3X and 4X dilutions, one drop is likely to contain so little of each that they are completely ineffective. Probably no more concentrated than dissolved salts and vegetable tannin in typical tap water. In fact, this compound could indeed BE tap water!
Pixel42
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Placebos do sometimes have some psychological benefit, it's true, and as long as they are taken as well as (rather than instead of) medicine that actually works, the only harm they do is to your wallet.
Personally I prefer to know if I'm fooling myself, and try not to be ripped off by unscrupulous con artists. But maybe that's just me.
bruto
Penultimate Amazing
Oats are good for sleep, but it's cheaper to buy them a bag at a time.
arthwollipot
Limerick Purist
The so-called "power" of the placebo effect is greatly exaggerated. When it boils down, the placebo effect consists of nothing but uncontrolled variables.
Norman Alexander
Penultimate Amazing
I like a nice porridge too. But this is like taking one single oat and dibbling it in a 44-gallon drum full of water for a few seconds. Then you empty the drum out leaving it still wet inside. Then you fill it with water again and stir (or bang the drum on a leather-bound bible 10 times as per Arth's recipe). Then take one drop of that water as part of the remedy. The memory of that oat will be stupendously strong!
Gord_in_Toronto
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Exactly how many herbs, homeopathics, natural vitamins, minerals et al do you take? How do you know which does what?
At least the people I have referenced who have lived to be a hundred by smoking and drinking know what has worked for them.
Norman Alexander
Penultimate Amazing
So let's look at this sleeping potion list:
Calms - does nothing because it contains no active ingredients.
Inositol - a naturally-occurring carbolic sugar. Wiki: "...mediates cell signal transduction...It is made naturally in humans from glucose. A human kidney makes about two grams per day." So any more than 2gms is simply excreted. Regular inositol capsules are 750mg, or just under 50% of the body's natural production. It will be surplus to a healthy body's requirements.
1mg Melatonin - A sleep/wake regulator. Wiki: "A 2017 review found that sleep onset occurred six minutes faster with use, but found no change in total time asleep. ... It is not approved by the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for any medical use."
L thyptophan - An amino acid. Wiki: "So high levels of tryptophan prevent tryptophan synthesis through a negative feedback loop, and when the cell's tryptophan levels go down again, transcription from the trp operon resumes." In other words, it is pointless trying to supplement your body with this. Excess will simply be excreted.
Vitamin B6 - pyridoxene, water soluble so it gets flushed. Healthline: "The current recommended daily amount (RDA) for B6 is 1.3–1.7 mg for adults over 19. Most healthy adults can get this amount through a balanced diet that includes vitamin-B6-rich foods like turkey, chickpeas, tuna, salmon, potatoes and bananas." Dosage available over the counter? 200mg. National Library of Medicine: "Vitamin B6 (pyridoxine) causes neuropathy at intakes of 1000 mg per day or more, which is about 800 times the daily intake from foods. There have also been occasional reports of toxicity at intakes of 100-300 mg per day. The US authorities set the no-observed-adverse-effect-level at 200 mg per day and the safe upper limit at 100 mg per day. A report of neurotoxicity in 2 patients who had taken 24 mg and 40 mg of vitamin B6 per day respectively, may be coincidence rather than a true toxic effect of such relatively low doses. However, physicians need to remain alert to high intakes of vitamin B6 as a cause of unexplained neuropathy. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16320662/
In total, this cocktail is simply a health store cash-cow. The substances are already naturally produced in abundance in a healthy body, or the obvious excess is excreted, or it is potentially dangerous.
Calms - does nothing because it contains no active ingredients.
Inositol - a naturally-occurring carbolic sugar. Wiki: "...mediates cell signal transduction...It is made naturally in humans from glucose. A human kidney makes about two grams per day." So any more than 2gms is simply excreted. Regular inositol capsules are 750mg, or just under 50% of the body's natural production. It will be surplus to a healthy body's requirements.
1mg Melatonin - A sleep/wake regulator. Wiki: "A 2017 review found that sleep onset occurred six minutes faster with use, but found no change in total time asleep. ... It is not approved by the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for any medical use."
L thyptophan - An amino acid. Wiki: "So high levels of tryptophan prevent tryptophan synthesis through a negative feedback loop, and when the cell's tryptophan levels go down again, transcription from the trp operon resumes." In other words, it is pointless trying to supplement your body with this. Excess will simply be excreted.
Vitamin B6 - pyridoxene, water soluble so it gets flushed. Healthline: "The current recommended daily amount (RDA) for B6 is 1.3–1.7 mg for adults over 19. Most healthy adults can get this amount through a balanced diet that includes vitamin-B6-rich foods like turkey, chickpeas, tuna, salmon, potatoes and bananas." Dosage available over the counter? 200mg. National Library of Medicine: "Vitamin B6 (pyridoxine) causes neuropathy at intakes of 1000 mg per day or more, which is about 800 times the daily intake from foods. There have also been occasional reports of toxicity at intakes of 100-300 mg per day. The US authorities set the no-observed-adverse-effect-level at 200 mg per day and the safe upper limit at 100 mg per day. A report of neurotoxicity in 2 patients who had taken 24 mg and 40 mg of vitamin B6 per day respectively, may be coincidence rather than a true toxic effect of such relatively low doses. However, physicians need to remain alert to high intakes of vitamin B6 as a cause of unexplained neuropathy. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16320662/
In total, this cocktail is simply a health store cash-cow. The substances are already naturally produced in abundance in a healthy body, or the obvious excess is excreted, or it is potentially dangerous.
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