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Because of the WTC cough. It seems to me that the symptoms of WTC cough match the symptoms of calcium hydroxide poisoning. The WTC cough symptoms seemed to include caustic burning, chemical irritation. This cannot be explained by mechanically made dust alone.
Wow! Structural Engineer and a doctor! Your tuition must have been a bitch.

Having taken Structural Dynamics in college, I must say that the opinions of the Engineers who examined this issue are more highly valued than yours.

--Patch
 
Why thank you.

That's not something to be proud of.

I don't know.

Are you aware of they call an explosive that has been spread thin over a large area? Fuel. Mix an explosive into a material and you'll either have a mostly-flammable material that would be able to support balsawood, or else you'll have a material with explosive spread so thin that it either can't be ignited, or if it was able to be ignited, would do little more than make some smoke.

Because it was stable?

Because it is stable?

Wow! What is this miracle explosive that stays reliably stable for 30 years?
I'm sure the Pentagon would like to know about it.

Long-term planning.

For what?

"Dear World Trade Center Builders: Please mix explosives into your concrete. We might need to conspire to blow these buildings up and cripple the National economy some day."

Really? Perhaps they did notice.

And yet no Union or member made a fuss about it, or brought to the worlds attention after 9/11? You obviously do not know New Yorkers.

Because of the WTC cough. It seems to me that the symptoms of WTC cough match the symptoms of calcium hydroxide poisoning. The WTC cough symptoms seemed to include caustic burning, chemical irritation. This cannot be explained by mechanically made dust alone.

Let us assume this is true for the sake of arguement.

This can be produced by heating the concrete to 900C. I'm not sure how you would do this except with high explosives. If the explosive was mixed with the concrete it would explain how all the concrete turned to dust.

And yet, there is no explosive known that can remain reliably stable for decades, and can be mixed with concrete such that it keeps its structural strength.

If there was, its inventor would be a very rich man.

I really don't want to have to calculate how much jet fuel it would take to heat 500,000 tons of concrete to 900C, but I assure you, there wasn't enough in the planes.

Again, you are basing this all on a health effect. Not on materials found by any scientific means. Are you a medical export or toxologist?

I am yet to see any plausible explanation of all the dust that doesn't involve high explosives.

Plausable to you is the key factor here.
 
OK, now I understand. I got my maths wrong.

Height of the building, s=412 m
Acceleration due to gravity g=9.81 m/s/s.
Time for top of building to fall under gravity alone (without resistance), t.

s= 1/2*g*t*t
t=sqrt(2*s/g)=sqrt(2*412/9.81)=sqrt(84)=9.2m/s/s

I admit it. I was wrong. That explains everything.

Funny how a simple miscalculation can cause you to believe all sorts of kooky theories.
 
Funny how a simple miscalculation can cause you to believe all sorts of kooky theories.
Hmmm. Sure. That must have been it. Miscalculation.

But to be fair this happens to the best of us. The other day I forgot to carry a 7 and I ended up being a holocaust denier for a whole afternoon before I noticed my error.

These things happen.
 
OK, now I understand. I got my maths wrong.

Height of the building, s=412 m
Acceleration due to gravity g=9.81 m/s/s.
Time for top of building to fall under gravity alone (without resistance), t.

s= 1/2*g*t*t
t=sqrt(2*s/g)=sqrt(2*412/9.81)=sqrt(84)=9.2m/s/s

I admit it. I was wrong. That explains everything.

Funny how a simple miscalculation can cause you to believe all sorts of kooky theories.

Interesting measure of time you got there.

Not that it matters much. Your basing it on your own garbage viewing of the time it takes to collapse.
 
But to be fair this happens to the best of us. The other day I forgot to carry a 7 and I ended up being a holocaust denier for a whole afternoon before I noticed my error.

Last time I balanced my checkbook, I ended up thinking the Moon Landing was a hoax!
 
Hi love, and everyone who has since joined the debate. Isn't it interesting how cognitive dissonance can cause peoples sphincters to tighten?

You debunkers are being silly...you would rather sit back and not know exactly what happened because you claim to already know based on a official story that wasn't even investigated using a deductive process...

As it has already been pointed out, even the experts are at odds over all of the evidence...this should be one cause for concern that apparently eludes you..

why waste your time answering reams of quoted text backed up by your shallow inductive investigation techniques?

None of you have personally seen any of the actual physical evidence in this matter and therefore none of you is capable of debunking it.

You can cite all the jobs you have had if you want....it doesn't make you an expert.

I have solidly debunked your ability as internet skeptics to debunk any of this...

You fail to explain why it's okay for you to use inductive reasoning, when that is the very thing you complain about CT's doing.

You fail to explain the logic in not conducting a deductive investigation on part of the federal government.

This was quite possibly one of the worst investigations ever in terms of evidence handling...and claims made.

For example on 911 it was determined that Osama bin Laden was responsible for the attack....

based on what? all of the intelligence that was ignored up to that point?



Now I ask again:

Why can't I see one picture of a plane hitting the pentagon?

Why can't I see the 6,000+ photo's that were sealed?

Why can't I see the results of any chemical tests performed in regards to explosives...? If there wasn't one, why not? Someone said, because there was no cause...3000 people died, there were reports of multiple explosions from inside the building from trained firefighters, there was reported explosive damage in the lobby and lower levels of the buildings from the same trained firefighters...

how much more cause do you need? The fact that in deduction you need to rule out other possibilities plays a role here, but as all you wannabe skeptics have so so readily revealed THATS NOT SOMETHING YOUR INTERESTED IN.

Your explanations are pretzel logic at it's finest. Quit trying to reinforce your skeptical worldview with induction... seriously...your being super hypocritical for even engaging in it in the first place.

Here's a thought, instead of debunking everything, why not investigate it using deductive techniques, letting your findings inform your facts.

That all I am suggesting...
 
OK, now I understand. I got my maths wrong.

Height of the building, s=412 m
Acceleration due to gravity g=9.81 m/s/s.
Time for top of building to fall under gravity alone (without resistance), t.

s= 1/2*g*t*t
t=sqrt(2*s/g)=sqrt(2*412/9.81)=sqrt(84)=9.2m/s/s

I admit it. I was wrong. That explains everything.

Funny how a simple miscalculation can cause you to believe all sorts of kooky theories.

I was under the impression that this was the realm of calculus.

Anyhoo. Anybody want to guess how much energy is necessary to raise 500,000 tons of concrete 450 degrees in a second or so? And what do you think the result would look like?

How many people are involved now? Not just the construction guys but all of the building inspectors from the 60s to 9/11 plus the undersriters plus the guys that scoured the place after the first bombing.

And nothing came out.

Want to discuss presidential blowjobs and the attendent secrecy now?

and ..... why?
 
You debunkers are being silly...you would rather sit back and not know exactly what happened because you claim to already know based on a official story that wasn't even investigated using a deductive process...

A guy has told us that the WTC on which construction began in 1966, was actually rigged with explosives MIXED IN WITH THE CONCRETE, to fake a terrorist attack by a group that didn't exist until 1986, in 2001.

Yeah WE'RE being silly!

As it has already been pointed out, even the experts are at odds over all of the evidence...this should be one cause for concern that apparently eludes you..

No, none of the experts familiar with the WTC or which have been part of the investigations support the theory of demolitions.

why waste your time answering reams of quoted text backed up by your shallow inductive investigation techniques?

Why do you waste your time asking us questions and NOT answering ours?

None of you have personally seen any of the actual physical evidence in this matter and therefore none of you is capable of debunking it.

You're still asking us to prove a negative. People who were PAID to investigate that event, people who are experts in that field- DID see physical evidence. What they did NOT see evidence of- was a demolition.

You can cite all the jobs you have had if you want....it doesn't make you an expert.

It does qualify you to confirm that mixing explosives into concrete is an idiotic idea. Also, having a certain job, for enough years, DOES make you an expert. Where do you think experts come from?

I have solidly debunked your ability as internet skeptics to debunk any of this...

Could you show us where? You REFUSE to answer any questions about YOUR theory, while demanding we explain every detail you can think of in order to hide the fact that you have no evidence of your theory.

This was quite possibly one of the worst investigations ever in terms of evidence handling...and claims made.

Really? According to who?

For example on 911 it was determined that Osama bin Laden was responsible for the attack....

based on what? all of the intelligence that was ignored up to that point?

If this was an inside job, don't you think they wouldn't have found any "ignored evidence"?


Now I ask again:

Why can't I see one picture of a plane hitting the pentagon?

Because you haven't looked hard enough?

Why can't I see the 6,000+ photo's that were sealed?

According to who?

Why can't I see the results of any chemical tests performed in regards to explosives...? If there wasn't one, why not? Someone said, because there was no cause...3000 people died, there were reports of multiple explosions from inside the building from trained firefighters, there was reported explosive damage in the lobby and lower levels of the buildings from the same trained firefighters...

Again, there are eyewitnesses that state they heard things LIKE explosions. Given the situation, that is not at all odd. Also, your last claim here is wrong, there were no explosions in the bottom floors. This was created by editing the account of a certain eyewitness.

how much more cause do you need? The fact that in deduction you need to rule out other possibilities plays a role here, but as all you wannabe skeptics have so so readily revealed THATS NOT SOMETHING YOUR INTERESTED IN.

Why won't you answer any of our questions about your theory?


Here's a thought, instead of debunking everything, why not investigate it using deductive techniques, letting your findings inform your facts.

How about this, instead of you asking all the questions, and instead of you not owning up to it when the errors in your claims are pointed out, why don't you actually try the scientific method- construct a hypothesis, and alter it as you find the evidence.

That all I am suggesting...

I am suggesting you give us evidence that the buildings were demolished via explosives.
 
I think the concrete was mixed with explosives when the towers were built.

Hold the phone. Let me get this straight...

The WTC towers-built over three decades ago- were intentionally construced with a mixture of an explosive laced concrete mix- in preparation for a staged pseudo terrorist attack involving two civilian jet airliners- when the explosives would be detonated subsequent to the airliner strikes- for the purpose of masking the true cause of the collapse- explosive laced concrete?

:jaw:

Bravo, good sir. Bravo.

In all my years as a purveyor of fine conspiracy theory bullcrap, that is some of the most pungent scat that I've ever sampled. That is the single malt scotch, the beluga caviar, the cuban cigar, of conspiratorial lunacy.

My tinfoil hat is off to you.:th:
 
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Hi love, and everyone who has since joined the debate. Isn't it interesting how cognitive dissonance can cause peoples sphincters to tighten?

You debunkers are being silly...you would rather sit back and not know exactly what happened because you claim to already know based on a official story that wasn't even investigated using a deductive process...

We pretty much know what happened. Not because of any 'deductive process', or whatever word you are misusing of late. We know because that is what the evidence points to. You can whine about it, but the evidence still stands.

As it has already been pointed out, even the experts are at odds over all of the evidence...this should be one cause for concern that apparently eludes you..

Which evidence is that? Where is the one that experts fight over that makes the Pentagon not get hit by a plane?

why waste your time answering reams of quoted text backed up by your shallow inductive investigation techniques?

Because what we are doing conforms to the evidence. Meanwhile, you can't even explain what happened to the plane and passengers that hit the Pentagon in your fantasy world.

None of you have personally seen any of the actual physical evidence in this matter and therefore none of you is capable of debunking it.

???

You can cite all the jobs you have had if you want....it doesn't make you an expert.

And you are?

I have solidly debunked your ability as internet skeptics to debunk any of this...

Usually this kind of chest-beating claim has some basis in reality, in your case you are demonstrating a rich fantasy life.

You fail to explain why it's okay for you to use inductive reasoning, when that is the very thing you complain about CT's doing.

That's because CT's are making up fantasies that fail to account for the evidence we have.

You fail to explain the logic in not conducting a deductive investigation on part of the federal government.

You have failed to explain why this word you have become obsessed with is so important to our needs.

This was quite possibly one of the worst investigations ever in terms of evidence handling...and claims made.

I doubt that, seriously.

For example on 911 it was determined that Osama bin Laden was responsible for the attack....

based on what? all of the intelligence that was ignored up to that point?

You had another culprit in mind? Perhaps you might recall the '93 bombing? There's been plenty of evidence that Osama was behind it shown since 9/11.

Now I ask again:

Why can't I see one picture of a plane hitting the pentagon?

Why can't I see the 6,000+ photo's that were sealed?

I don't know why. But that does not change the fact that a plane hit the Pentagon.

Why can't I see the results of any chemical tests performed in regards to explosives...? If there wasn't one, why not?

Why should there be tests when we know a plane hit the Pentagon?

Someone said, because there was no cause...3000 people died, there were reports of multiple explosions from inside the building from trained firefighters, there was reported explosive damage in the lobby and lower levels of the buildings from the same trained firefighters...

"Multiple explosions" could be anything in a raging fire. Mnay such comments have been lifted and abused.

http://www.911myths.com/html/quote_abuse.html

how much more cause do you need?

A lot more than you've given. Tell us what happened to the plane and passenger. Tell us how explosives could be wired into the building without anyone noticing

The fact that in deduction you need to rule out other possibilities plays a role here, but as all you wannabe skeptics have so so readily revealed THATS NOT SOMETHING YOUR INTERESTED IN.

Your explanations are pretzel logic at it's finest. Quit trying to reinforce your skeptical worldview with induction... seriously...your being super hypocritical for even engaging in it in the first place.

Here's a thought, instead of debunking everything, why not investigate it using deductive techniques, letting your findings inform your facts.

That all I am suggesting...

Boo-freaking-Hoo. Your getting your butt handed to you on a plate, and you can only whine about it and repeat useless assertions. 'Deductive' in your lexicon, seems to mean "Ignore all the other evidence pointing to a conclusion that thesyntaxera doesn't like and harp on minor points that do not make a whit of difference!"
 
Hi love, and everyone who has since joined the debate. Isn't it interesting how cognitive dissonance can cause peoples sphincters to tighten?
Hmm, cognitive dissonance, a failure to recognise the contradictions in your own attitudes and behaviours...
Just to remind ourselves, you describe yourself as a "fellow skeptic", yes?
Interesting.

You debunkers are being silly...you would rather sit back and not know exactly what happened because you claim to already know based on a official story that wasn't even investigated using a deductive process...
You seem to be a little overexcited about your use of 'deductive' versus 'inductive' reasoning.
Are you totally sure you understand what both mean?
Inductive is sometimes described as moving from the specific to the general, while deductive can be described as moving from the general to the specific.
The situation here is moving from the specific to the specific (although several arguments have already been produced that indicate why generallly held principles might strongly be considered applicable to 9-11).
We don't have all the information (and never will) so a certain degree of assumption will be required for anyone attempting to reach a conclusion.
Nobody will ever be able to reach conclusions about 9-11 based on pure logic.

As it has already been pointed out, even the experts are at odds over all of the evidence...this should be one cause for concern that apparently eludes you..
Which experts?

why waste your time answering reams of quoted text backed up by your shallow inductive investigation techniques?
The techniques that have satisfied everyone excpet a handful of CTs?
Well if anyone had any compelling counter evidence...
No? Never mind.

None of you have personally seen any of the actual physical evidence in this matter and therefore none of you is capable of debunking it.
An old chestnut.
As you weren't personally sitting in the Pentagon and hit by an aircraft can we equally dismiss your opinion?

You can cite all the jobs you have had if you want....it doesn't make you an expert.
So what, exactly, defines 'expert' to you? Someone who agrees with your preconceived notion?

I have solidly debunked your ability as internet skeptics to debunk any of this...
Any chance of us reading where you have done this?

You fail to explain why it's okay for you to use inductive reasoning, when that is the very thing you complain about CT's doing.
We are using observation and expert testimony. It's hard to know what further information we can use to form an opinion.
If you have access to reliable secret information, please let us know.

You fail to explain the logic in not conducting a deductive investigation on part of the federal government.
That's true. When you see 2 planes fly into 2 buildings it would make sense to doubt it.

This was quite possibly one of the worst investigations ever in terms of evidence handling...and claims made.
I believe you accidentally left out the words "In my opinion..."

For example on 911 it was determined that Osama bin Laden was responsible for the attack....

based on what? all of the intelligence that was ignored up to that point?
So you don't think it was Muslim extremists?
Why?
What 'deductive reasoning' has led you to that conclusion?

Now I ask again:

Why can't I see one picture of a plane hitting the pentagon?
I don't know. Several reasons have already been provided, none of which you appear to liike.
But it seems just frankly bizarre to think that a plane didn't hit the Pentagon.

Why can't I see the 6,000+ photo's that were sealed?
What 6000+ photos?

Why can't I see the results of any chemical tests performed in regards to explosives...? If there wasn't one, why not? Someone said, because there was no cause...3000 people died, there were reports of multiple explosions from inside the building from trained firefighters, there was reported explosive damage in the lobby and lower levels of the buildings from the same trained firefighters...
A building on fire has explosions inside...
And this would be unexpected... why exactly?

how much more cause do you need? The fact that in deduction you need to rule out other possibilities plays a role here, but as all you wannabe skeptics have so so readily revealed THATS NOT SOMETHING YOUR INTERESTED IN.
In the same way you are not interested in the possibility that a group of muslim extremists hijacked planes and flew them into skyscrapers?

Your explanations are pretzel logic at it's finest. Quit trying to reinforce your skeptical worldview with induction... seriously...your being super hypocritical for even engaging in it in the first place.
You seem very angry about this.
We see this a lot. No-one likes their preconceptions or cherished views questioned.
It's only unfortunate that you seem to think that holding an opinion that disagrees with observed facts makes you more truly 'skeptical'.

Here's a thought, instead of debunking everything, why not investigate it using deductive techniques, letting your findings inform your facts.

That all I am suggesting...
What a good idea.
Which fringe websites that disagree with experts, eyewitnesses, common sense, scientific and video evidence should we visit?
 
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Amazing how thesyntaxera was getting in trouble on their very first thread until love showed up. Now love has scarped after admitting their error and thesyntaxera is back again.

What a fabulous coincidance.
 
In all my years as a purveyor of fine conspiracy theory bullcrap, that is some of the most pungent scat that I've ever sampled. That is the single malt scotch, the beluga caviar, the cuban cigar, of conspiratorial lunacy.

My tinfoil hat is off to you.

Don't be fooled. Obviously this "love" poster is in on the conspiracy and is propagating disinformation to discredit the legitimate questions about 9/11. It was all a plot to make you tip your tinfoil hat so they could microwave your brain!

Quick, get you tinfoil hat back on!
 
just a few things selected before breakup day lunch!

why waste your time answering reams of quoted text backed up by your shallow inductive investigation techniques?

Most people dont just induce facts, they prove them in a criminal case. And real experts will admit to mistakes, not stand by a disproven initial thought.

None of you have personally seen any of the actual physical evidence in this matter and therefore none of you is capable of debunking it.

I bet you believe in dinosaurs.
Hell I never been to america or even tasmania. I bet they dont exist. who is playing this trick on me...

I have solidly debunked your ability as internet skeptics to debunk any of this...

Your a keyboard warrior debating conspiracy theories! Ride on King Arthour...

You fail to explain why it's okay for you to use inductive reasoning, when that is the very thing you complain about CT's doing.

no no...read it again...its science people use to establish FACTS. induction/deduction will lead you towards a theory, that you either prove or disprove. What you are left with is the truth. Now you seem to summise something in the induction/deduction phase and not follow through to the lab. But hey, you know the big secret...

hahahaha man. You really need this to be true. Your an 'unsinkable duck'
Dude stop reading David Icke and that various tripe. Remember guys like him get his facts from a medium spirit! ooooo
 
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Ya know, if you've got that many construction workers in on your operation, why waist all that time and trouble of making voids in the concrete floor forms, running conduit for control wiring, connecting that wiring to a main hub that runs between each floor, hooking it into a power source (Energizers ain't gonna cut it for 30 years), bribing the inspectors to look the other way, when you can just blow the floor level columns at one location instead?

For Frith's sake, this is one of the dumbest things I've read since I followed Riley G. on sci.skeptic.
 
Amazing how thesyntaxera was getting in trouble on their very first thread until love showed up. Now love has scarped after admitting their error and thesyntaxera is back again.

What a fabulous coincidance.

Are you suggesting we are the same person? Isn't that a little too paranoid?
 
Bravo, good sir. Bravo.

In all my years as a purveyor of fine conspiracy theory bullcrap, that is some of the most pungent scat that I've ever sampled. That is the single malt scotch, the beluga caviar, the cuban cigar, of conspiratorial lunacy.

My tinfoil hat is off to you.:th:

Why, thank you. But I am sure I can find more extreme examples.

How about:
Britney Spears is a mind-controlled sex-slave.

Makes sense if you think about it.
 
OK, now I understand. I got my maths wrong.

Height of the building, s=412 m
Acceleration due to gravity g=9.81 m/s/s.
Time for top of building to fall under gravity alone (without resistance), t.

s= 1/2*g*t*t
t=sqrt(2*s/g)=sqrt(2*412/9.81)=sqrt(84)=9.2m/s/s

I admit it. I was wrong. That explains everything.

Funny how a simple miscalculation can cause you to believe all sorts of kooky theories.

Love,

Have you revised your thinking on the issues not involving the towers in "freefall"?

Do you see more concrete debris when you look at the pictures now?

Do you see at least six underground levels of the building in the picture that Psiload provided, rather than the three you saw earlier?

Have you revised your opinion on the explosives in the concrete, and if so, do you still think that the WTC cough "cannot be explained by mechanically made dust alone?"

And btw, the idea that you and thesyntaxera are sock puppets is certainly not a paranoid one, especially since you both recently joined the forum this month, within five days of one another. Hang around for a bit and you'll see that kooks use this technique rather liberally...

Love,

money
 
Love,

Have you revised your thinking on the issues not involving the towers in "freefall"?
No, not really.

Do you see more concrete debris when you look at the pictures now?
No, not really.

Do you see at least six underground levels of the building in the picture that Psiload provided, rather than the three you saw earlier?
Yes.

Have you revised your opinion on the explosives in the concrete, and if so, do you still think that the WTC cough "cannot be explained by mechanically made dust alone?"
No, not really.

And btw, the idea that you and thesyntaxera are sock puppets is certainly not a paranoid one, especially since you both recently joined the forum this month, within five days of one another. Hang around for a bit and you'll see that kooks use this technique rather liberally...
I am fascinated by this. I have been on other forums and suspected others of doing this. Needless to say, I am completely innocent. However, I cannot speak for thesyntaxera. ;)

Love,

money

And much love to you too.
 

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