Ed Corona Virus Conspiracy Theories....

[Jack by the hedge]

This is a **** analogy. That you don't realize it tells us much.

Similarly his remark that he sees it's fruitless to question dogma.

I mean, you might just take that as a throwaway insult, but it might well indicate a failure on his part to recognise how science actually works; that theory is always up for challenge and you never have to take anybody's word for it and the evidence always trumps what you want to be true and the results of experiment should be replicable by anybody else. Utterly unlike religious faith which embraces belief without proof as the highest of achievements.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

I don't think that I made a "gotcha claim,"

That's right. No one thinks you succeeded. .

As an aside, I really loved a visit to Scotland where I made special visit to the University of Glasgow to see the statue of the Chairman of Philosophy Department and author of The Theory of Moral Sentiments and The Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations, Adam Smith.

You're a horticulturist and not an economist and Adam Smith, (1723 – 1790) has nothing to do with Covid-19 conspiracies.

Try to present, on topic, coherent arguments, supported by evidence, next time.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

... However, your linked study at the U. of Glasgow says the analyzed stats came "from published data."

Perhaps you would prefer unpublished data. Or made up data. Or imaginary data. Or what some guy on YouTube reckons. Rather than published data which other researchers can also study and question and evaluate for the quality of its methodology.

Your scepticism seems to consist of a layered approach of saying "well, maybe those guys are all lying too" all the way down. If you have a reasoned criticism of the data rather than a kneejerk "what if it's all just pretend?" then let's have it. And if you can come up with a good reason to explain why the entire world is lying to you, let's have that too.

 

[Tom Palven]

Do you realise how many people have to be malicious and deliberate liars for your scenario to be true?

No. How many?

 

[Tom Palven]

Perhaps you would prefer unpublished data. Or made up data.

No. I would prefer data gathered under personal supervision.

 

[beachnut]

No. I would prefer data gathered under personal supervision.

- why have you failed to gather the data to debunk the claims you make about Covid being a hoax?

Why are you stuck in the Conspiracy Theory section of the forum?

Ans: you believe and make up Conspiracy Theories

Irony, you post conspiracy theories on Covid in the Covid Conspiracy theory thread

 

[Jack by the hedge]

No. How many?

Well, try to make a start. Who has to be in on it? It's a fun game and you can play it with lots of other conspiracy theories like 9/11 being an inside job.

If there's actually no Covid-19 pandemic, who would need to be aware and be keeping it hushed up? Easy one to start: all the doctors and nurses in all the countries who have dealt with waves of excess sick people? They're treating them all, so how could they remain unaware that they're not dealing with the set of symptoms they're supposed to be seeing? Surely they've got to be in on it. Or, depending on how looney-tunes you want your conspiracy to get, what about all the victims who are the excess deaths? Do we consider that they might not be dead but just hiding somewhere, giggling at how they fooled us all? Maybe that's going a bit too far. The researchers who have studied the virus; they definitely have to be in on it. The ones who developed the vaccines too, in every country that's been working on it worldwide. All just fooling us with this virus stuff while people are dropping dead of something else. Who else? There's surely plenty more.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

No. I would prefer data gathered under personal supervision.

By whom?

Do you have any idea of what the evidence is that you are talking about, or of how it was gathered?

 

[arthwollipot]

Well, try to make a start. Who has to be in on it? It's a fun game and you can play it with lots of other conspiracy theories like 9/11 being an inside job.

If there's actually no Covid-19 pandemic, who would need to be aware and be keeping it hushed up? Easy one to start: all the doctors and nurses in all the countries who have dealt with waves of excess sick people? They're treating them all, so how could they remain unaware that they're not dealing with the set of symptoms they're supposed to be seeing? Surely they've got to be in on it. Or, depending on how looney-tunes you want your conspiracy to get, what about all the victims who are the excess deaths? Do we consider that they might not be dead but just hiding somewhere, giggling at how they fooled us all? Maybe that's going a bit too far. The researchers who have studied the virus; they definitely have to be in on it. The ones who developed the vaccines too, in every country that's been working on it worldwide. All just fooling us with this virus stuff while people are dropping dead of something else. Who else? There's surely plenty more.

I'd say that it would have to be in the millions, if not the hundreds of millions. All of whom have to be actively complicit. All of whom have to keep the secret.

 

[Foster Zygote]

No. How many?

Well, as I've said a few times already, this conspiracy theory of yours requires the complicity of virtually the whole of the world's medical scientific community. I don't know the exact number, but it's a **** of a lot of people.

It's no less idiotic than when flat earthers claim that the entire scientific community is behind a giant hoax to hide the true nature of the form of the cosmos, and have been, generation after generation, since the Third Century BCE.

You keep going on about Christian mythology like a broken record because you clearly expect everyone to be greatly impressed with the fact that you don't believe, and therefore conclude that you are an utterly logical person who rejects all irrational beliefs. But given your arguments it's transparently obvious that you wouldn't recognize scientific reasoning if it rammed its ovipositor down your throat and laid its eggs in your chest.

 

[The Greater Fool]

And the so called Skeptics around here salivate with Lord Fauci's B.S.

I thought skeptic means to Question, Doubt, Is it True or Not?, etc etc....

But here, not what I read.

Caroline,

You've mentioned elsewhere that your grape seed extract helps protect you from Covid-19. You also mentioned a study that is looking at grape tannins and their positive effects on Covid-19.

Grape seed extract seems like a supplement that at worst would do no harm, but may just be beneficial and foolish not to look at. This is where you can answer a simple question that will benefit everyone:

What specific brand, product name, and dose of grape seed extract do you use?

Thanks in advance.

 

[turingtest]

Well, as I've said a few times already, this conspiracy theory of yours requires the complicity of virtually the whole of the world's medical scientific community. I don't know the exact number, but it's a **** of a lot of people.

It's no less idiotic than when flat earthers claim that the entire scientific community is behind a giant hoax to hide the true nature of the form of the cosmos, and have been, generation after generation, since the Third Century BCE.

You keep going on about Christian mythology like a broken record because you clearly expect everyone to be greatly impressed with the fact that you don't believe, and therefore conclude that you are an utterly logical person who rejects all irrational beliefs. But given your arguments it's transparently obvious that you wouldn't recognize scientific reasoning if it rammed its ovipositor down your throat and laid its eggs in your chest.

It fails on another level too, namely the simplistic implication that someone who embraces that particular irrational belief (Christianity) must, by definition, be someone who will embrace any such belief. Of course, there are any number of Christians who are also scientists who will tell you that that's *********- that the defining difference is how the separate questions are approached and resolved. Which leads to the corollary- that someone who rejects the religious belief isn't, by simple definition, going to necessarily be one who will reject another irrational belief, such as Covid 19 CTs.

 

[Tom Palven]

Well, as I've said a few times already, this conspiracy theory of yours requires the complicity of virtually the whole of the world's medical scientific community.

Well, as I said early on, and will repeat as often as necessary, or until I get kicked off the forum, is that I DON'T THINK THAT COVID-19 IS EITHER A CONSPIRACY OR A HOAX.

I think that there has been a confluence of interests involved, big pharma and a sensationalist media among them, and millions of True Believers, which is why I refer to it in religious terms; and judging from comments on the web, I doubt that anywhere near the whole of the world's medical community is on board with the measures taken in the war against CV-19.

 

[arthwollipot]

Well, as I said early on, and will repeat as often as necessary, or until I get kicked off the forum, is that I DON'T THINK THAT COVID-19 IS EITHER A CONSPIRACY OR A HOAX.

How do you account for half a million dead people in the United States alone? Do you think that's just not a big deal??

 

[Jack by the hedge]

... judging from comments on the web, I doubt that anywhere near the whole of the world's medical community is on board with the measures taken in the war against CV-19.

I suppose it doesn't take many cranks to make a lot of noise in an internet bubble.

On the other hand perhaps you could direct us to those portions of the world's medical community which disagree with the consensus of medical opinion so that we can assess for ourselves whether they seem to represent a significant part of the medical community.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

I DON'T THINK THAT COVID-19 IS EITHER A CONSPIRACY OR A HOAX

Yet you appear convinced that it isn't the coronavirus everyone else seems to think it is. Can you tell us what you suspect has caused all these excess deaths in the last year?

 

[Axxman300]

How do you account for half a million dead people in the United States alone? Do you think that's just not a big deal??

The better question what would the death toll be had no action been taken?

Again, you can't win against CT loons. The goal posts are adjusted as needed. And the fact is that they don't theorize if the death rates might be higher unless it's China. We've learned the governor of NY hid the nursing home death data to hide his incompetence, where is the call to investigate other states? A good skeptic should be wondering what other COVID data has been hidden or altered in different states and by the Trump White House.

Another thing I notice in this thread is a painful lack of original thinking from our COVID CTist. Both are paint-by-numbers types. No individual though in evidence.

 

[Tom Palven]

On the other hand perhaps you could direct us to those portions of the world's medical community which disagree with the consensus of medical opinion so that we can assess for ourselves whether they seem to represent a significant part of the medical community.

Here's one tiny sample, but you can do your own search of European medical associations and elsewhere that oppose the war on Covid measures advocated by Pope Anthony (Fauci).
https://www.news.com.au/world/coron...s/news-story/f2188f2aebff1b7b291b297731c3da74

 

[beachnut]

oops, Fauci not mentioned in article from 4 months ago!

Here's one tiny sample, but you can do your own search of European medical associations and elsewhere that oppose the war on Covid measures advocated by Pope Anthony (Fauci).
https://www.news.com.au/world/coron...s/news-story/f2188f2aebff1b7b291b297731c3da74

What is your point? My doors are not locked, I can walk dogs, I can play golf, etc, etc. we go shopping... I am not sure you have a point from an article in October, do you read out of date stuff you post before posting them.

The article did not say anything about Fauci, you made it up.

 

[Foster Zygote]

Well, as I said early on, and will repeat as often as necessary, or until I get kicked off the forum, is that I DON'T THINK THAT COVID-19 IS EITHER A CONSPIRACY OR A HOAX.

Oh, so it isn't that the whole of the world's medical science community is evil, it's that the whole of the world's medical scientific community is just dumber than you are.

That's way more plausible. I mean, they're so stupidly incompetent that they don't even realize that all viruses are equally contagious.

Judging from comments on the web, I doubt that anywhere near the whole of the world's medical community is on board with the measures taken in the war against CV-19.

Oh, sure. I mean there's that demon sperm lady. She seems pretty on the ball.

Pointing to a few cranks and claiming it indicates a division in the scientific community is on the conspiracy theory bingo card.