Ed Corona Virus Conspiracy Theories....

[MarkCorrigan]

For those who think that Coronavirus is "not all it's cracked up to be" I would like to point out that deaths in the United States topped 500,000 today.

Five hundred thousand dead people. Half a million. Tell them that the virus isn't all it's cracked up to be. Go on.

Ah but they were all obviously sick already because they didn't take vitamin C and instead ate food full of preservatives like deoxyribonucleic acid.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

I stand by my statement that "The great majority whose lives may be shortened by hours or days by CV-19 are those with very advanced stages of cancer, heart disease or other terminal illnesses," but am not allowed to provide links at this point.

I may be a little late to the party but I would suggest people read Tom's gotcha claim with more care. The statement he insists on standing by only applies to people whose lives were shortened by hours or days due to Covid-19.

It does not address all the people whose lives were shortened by mere weeks, let alone by months, years or decades.

People seem to have assumed Tom was claiming that the hours or days figure is typical for Covid-19 victims. He may well have wished you to make that assumption. But that is not what he said. What he actually said is the more mundane claim that most of the people who only lost a few days of their life to Covid-19 were already close to death.


<edit to add> A study at the University of Glasgow has concluded that the average Covid-19 victim had a remaining life expectancy of more than a decade.
https://wellcomeopenresearch.org/articles/5-75

 

[Lothian]

This is the most recent info from Dr. Makary at Johns Hopkins...I don't know how it could be true as I'm accused of posting false info, but how false Dr. Makary is, you all may want to read. Heard from other sources today that we could be there now, but who knows about all the numbers we're told.

https://www.newsweek.com/john-hopkin...munity-1570615

This info may not be heard on mainstream news as the left want to keep every one in continual fear and constant push for vaccines.


Just today from Dr. Victory's program:

More was discussed today, and the gang who follow Lord Fauci do not want the population to know this as that gang is pushing for continued masking, closures and vaccines.. So mainstream MDs are told NOT to discuss how close we are to Herd Immunity.

Do more research folks, it's well over a year of this insanity.

Not 82 years of it? It all seems fake to me. I mean herd immunity from something you don't think exists. Top tip. Be consistent with your trolling.

 

[Norman Alexander]

Did I hear a seagull squawking?

 

[Jack by the hedge]

It is surely fruitless to question dogma ... <snip for brevity>

You are raising the idea that people are dying with Covid-19 yet being recorded as dying of Covid-19. In the UK we have the official count which is of people who die within 28 days of a positive Covid-19 test. That gets certain people terribly exercised as they rant that someone might merely be hit by a bus and become a Covid statistic.

Well, if it helps to set your mind at ease, also in the UK, the Office For National Statistics gathers other measures including doctors own assessments of whether Covid-19 was a major cause of an individual's death. In the first wave last Spring those two measures had a 93% match.

 

[Tom Palven]

For those who think that Coronavirus is "not all it's cracked up to be" I would like to point out that deaths in the United States topped 500,000 today.

Five hundred thousand dead people. Half a million. Tell them that the virus isn't all it's cracked up to be. Go on.

At the risk of beating religious analogies to death, I'll probably believe that CV-19 was the primary cause of those deaths the same day I agree with the over 2 billion people who believe that Jesus died for my sins and then arose from the dead.

 

[Caroline13]

Well, I don't know anything FOR SURE and neither do any of you or Facui. But why not put info out there that comes by my ears and it may hit a chord with maybe one soul here. But then that would be wishful thinking that some here do some thinking.

 

[turingtest]

This is the most recent info from Dr. Makary at Johns Hopkins...I don't know how it could be true as I'm accused of posting false info, but how false Dr. Makary is, you all may want to read. Heard from other sources today that we could be there now, but who knows about all the numbers we're told.

https://www.newsweek.com/john-hopkin...munity-1570615

This info may not be heard on mainstream news as the left want to keep every one in continual fear and constant push for vaccines.

Just today from Dr. Victory's program:

More was discussed today, and the gang who follow Lord Fauci do not want the population to know this as that gang is pushing for continued masking, closures and vaccines.. So mainstream MDs are told NOT to discuss how close we are to Herd Immunity.

Do more research folks, it's well over a year of this insanity.

"Here's something you may not hear on a mainstream source..." she says, as she links to a mainstream source that says it.

Seriously, for all that people like you like to boast how everyone who doesn't agree with you are mindless sheep, it sure does seem like you guys have your little tropes and formulas that you just must faithfully trot out, no matter how idiotic they are in context.

 

[Thermal]

We see here a suggestion that herd immunity Will soon be achieved to what the OP has asserted is a hoax. Somewhere, an exploding irony meter is touching itself.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

Well, I don't know anything FOR SURE and neither do any of you or Facui. But why not put info out there that comes by my ears and it may hit a chord with maybe one soul here. But then that would be wishful thinking that some here do some thinking.

So instead of actually dealing with the points people make you decide to preach and browbeat us with your false accusations of being closed minded? Brilliant. You really are a failure aren't you?

Why not answer a post like the following:

Yes, it is. Then, when we have questioned and been presented with evidence, go where the evidence leads us. The evidence leads to masks being effective, vaccines working, COVID19 being deadly and not just "flu" and vitamin megadoses being about as much use as a chocolate fireguard.

Your problem is that because we aren't accepting your unsubstantiated nonsense pulled from cranks like that scum sucking AIDS denialist you quoted or the all around moron Mercola you want to throw a hissy fit and claim we aren't really sceptics.

Tell me something Caroline, if you are the Real Sceptic^TM here, why do you run away from people's questions? Why do you outright refuse to do any research on anything? Why did you claim that DNA was obviously a preservative? Why do you keep seagull posting and avoiding hard questions?

Rather than bleating on and beating the same rhetorical drum of falsehood?

 

[arthwollipot]

At the risk of beating religious analogies to death, I'll probably believe that CV-19 was the primary cause of those deaths the same day I agree with the over 2 billion people who believe that Jesus died for my sins and then arose from the dead.

Do you realise how many people have to be malicious and deliberate liars for your scenario to be true?

 

[RecoveringYuppy]

Do you realise how many people have to be malicious and deliberate liars for your scenario to be true?

And how much cooperation is required between people, companies, and countries that don't normally cooperate with each other.

 

[turingtest]

We see here a suggestion that herd immunity Will soon be achieved to what the OP has asserted is a hoax. Somewhere, an exploding irony meter is touching itself.

Not to mention an assertion by the doctor being cited by Caroline that this herd immunity will be thanks, at least in part, to the use of the vaccines that Caroline is so peevishly against.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

At the risk of beating religious analogies to death, I'll probably believe that CV-19 was the primary cause of those deaths the same day I agree with the over 2 billion people who believe that Jesus died for my sins and then arose from the dead.

Soooooo......your entire argument is that because a whole lot of idiots believe in a unrelated fairy tale, modern scientific evidence about Covid-19 must be wrong?

That is hilarious.

 

[Resume]

At the risk of beating religious analogies to death, I'll probably believe that CV-19 was the primary cause of those deaths the same day I agree with the over 2 billion people who believe that Jesus died for my sins and then arose from the dead.

This is a **** analogy. That you don't realize it tells us much.

 

[arthwollipot]

This is a **** analogy. That you don't realize it tells us much.

Nothing that we couldn't work out previously, of course.

 

[turingtest]

This is a **** analogy. That you don't realize it tells us much.

It's his story, and he's sticking to it- much like the over 2 billion people who believe that Jesus died for my sins and then arose from the dead.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

I'm submitting this Snopes link so I can ask you why do you think they pulled it.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/florida-motorcyclist-covid-death/

Read your own Snopes link next time



"It does appear to the case, however, that a motorcyclist who was killed in a traffic accident also tested positive for COVID-19, and was initially listed among Florida’s COVID-19-related deaths. But officials from the Florida Department of Health said that person has since been removed from the count."
Gosh. A error about one person has been fixed by the Florida Health department. Therefore you claim Covid-19 isn't real?

 

[Jack by the hedge]

At the risk of beating religious analogies to death, I'll probably believe that CV-19 was the primary cause of those deaths the same day I agree with the over 2 billion people who believe that Jesus died for my sins and then arose from the dead.

Hey, perhaps you could discover what the real cause of all these excess death is and save thousands if not millions of lives.

Or perhaps you could just consider the consilience of evidence from virologists and epidemiologists and doctors and medical researchers and statisticians in different countries all over the world and realise that the cranks whose conspiracy theories you've been falling for are simply full of crap.

 

[Tom Palven]

I may be a little late to the party but I would suggest people read Tom's gotcha claim with more care...

A study at the University of Glasgow has concluded that the average Covid-19 victim had a remaining life expectancy of more than a decade.
https://wellcomeopenresearch.org/articles/5-75

I don't think that I made a "gotcha claim," or, at least I don't think that I tried to.

As an aside, I really loved a visit to Scotland where I made special visit to the University of Glasgow to see the statue of the Chairman of Philosophy Department and author of The Theory of Moral Sentiments and The Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations, Adam Smith.

However, your linked study at the U. of Glasgow says the analyzed stats came "from published data." I refer to the possibility of GIGO, as per the extreme example of the death of a motorcycle accident victim being attributed to CV, and the medical examiner arguing for the validity of that finding.