Poll vaccine distribution priorities

[cullennz]

I can't see that a free-for-all is a good idea.

Expanding the group in WA was a good idea, IMO. But some control over the situation is still needed.

Agree with this

No offence to the yanks, but can see a situation with weirdo paranoids repeatedly lining up and getting about 6 shots in a couple of days unless some kind of registration is put in.

 

[Sherkeu]

Agree with this

No offence to the yanks, but can see a situation with weirdo paranoids repeatedly lining up and getting about 6 shots in a couple of days unless some kind of registration is put in.

According to my local pharmacist (CVS) it will be free-for-all by the end of this month- just like what they do for flu shots but with more paperwork. They handed me a paper with a QR code on it (which I cant find now!!)

CVS recently inoculated my father's senior community. 600 of them in just 2 days with over 99% compliance. He said they were very efficient. 5 tables inside the part of their dining area that is 2-story and has doors to the garden outside for those waiting. (all of them have had delivered meals since last March so the dining room has been unused)

Prior to this day, they filled out a questionnaire, sent it in, received a response, confirmed the info, then scheduled their 15min slot. Afterward, they are given a card for the first shot. With the second, they will be given an updated card.

You cannot easily sign on for multiple shots with this system as all the info is shared with the person's insurance (or local health dept). But it can still be available to all.

 

[theprestige]

According to my local pharmacist (CVS) it will be free-for-all by the end of this month- just like what they do for flu shots but with more paperwork. They handed me a paper with a QR code on it (which I cant find now!!)

Congratulations on losing your copy of perhaps the single most important global wellness document in human history. In terms of total human lives protected and at risk.

 

[cullennz]

Congratulations on losing your copy of perhaps the single most important global wellness document in human history. In terms of total human lives protected and at risk.

I take it they haven't heard of email as a back-up to have it, or is that too much to ask?

 

[Sherkeu]

Congratulations on losing your copy of perhaps the single most important global wellness document in human history. In terms of total human lives protected and at risk.

It was not specific to ME. Just an info paper.

But looking it up it says today:

"The COVID-19 vaccine is not yet available at CVS Pharmacy in California."

But then, they did say it would be at the end of the month. So I will check back.

 

[cullennz]

How does the whole QR thing work in the US/UK/EUR/other countries?

Here it is all anonymous and you scan the same one entering everything and if someone gets the dreaded lurgy having scanned one, in the background anyone who scanned the same example of it gets a text saying get tested I think?

Don't quote me on it and might have it slightly wrong.

Except for the privacy bit, which is valid.

 

[cullennz]

Should probably add here the QRs are every where.

Every bus, train, building etc.

And most places have a physical signing in bit if you have a crappy phone.

 

[Orphia Nay]

You are absolutely right to want an option to vote for international groups. However that would be well beyond the focus of this poll. There are people here now in the US advocating for this group or that. That is what I had in mind to discuss.

I was hoping you would infer from my post that the US should give some priority to certain international/racial groups in the US, and age groups within those groups.

I've seen that black communities, as an example, are much harder hit by the virus.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I was hoping you would infer from my post that the US should give some priority to certain international/racial groups in the US, and age groups within those groups.

I've seen that black communities, as an example, are much harder hit by the virus.

Thats right. It's an important consideration. Those food processors (I should have put 'and related occupations') fall into the category as do low income neighborhoods and low income ethnic groups. Maybe there should have been a single category for these people.

 

[Brainster]

I was hoping you would infer from my post that the US should give some priority to certain international/racial groups in the US, and age groups within those groups.

I've seen that black communities, as an example, are much harder hit by the virus.

There is a big push for that, but it's going to be tricky to achieve demographic proportionality if twice as many Blacks decline to be vaccinated as whites.

 

[Orphia Nay]

There is a big push for that, but it's going to be tricky to achieve demographic proportionality if twice as many Blacks decline to be vaccinated as whites.

That's a separate issue to making sure enough vaccines are available for everyone.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

That's a separate issue to making sure enough vaccines are available for everyone.

It's a bit of an excuse also since that has not been determined to be the barrier to vaccinating the minorities in question given they haven't been given the opportunity to get the vaccine.

A separate survey of attitudes is not the same as a survey when vaccine is being refused.

 

[Puppycow]

That's a separate issue to making sure enough vaccines are available for everyone.

If enough vaccines were available for everyone, you wouldn't need to prioritize anyone. The issue is that right now the demand exceeds the supply.

Eventually vaccine hesitancy may become a problem if too many people stubbornly refuse to get vaccinated but I hope that more people will come around once they see other people around them taking the vaccine.

People who need it more should be given the earlier opportunity to take it, but if they pass that opportunity up, let the next person in line take it.

 

[cullennz]

If enough vaccines were available for everyone, you wouldn't need to prioritize anyone. The issue is that right now the demand exceeds the supply.

Eventually vaccine hesitancy may become a problem if too many people stubbornly refuse to get vaccinated but I hope that more people will come around once they see other people around them taking the vaccine.

People who need it more should be given the earlier opportunity to take it, but if they pass that opportunity up, let the next person in line take it.

At a guess, because some people are more likely to die after catching it, whilst other healthy young people get fluish symptoms and lose their sense of taste for a few days, then rock on back to work.

Edit:Apologies. Missread your post and agree with the last sentence.

 

[Puppycow]

Saw this in the Washington Post:

One county has twice as many covid-19 deaths. The other does much better with vaccinations.

Feb. 7
Less than 4 percent of residents in the Maryland county hit hardest by the coronavirus have received their first dose of vaccine — the lowest rate in the state.

Across the Chesapeake Bay, more than 13 percent of residents have gotten their first shots, in a county that has largely escaped the brunt of the pandemic.

Prince George’s County, a majority Black suburb of Washington, and Talbot County, a much smaller, majority White community on the Eastern Shore, are emblematic of the successes and failures of the nation’s vaccine rollout — and the disparate realities playing out within states.

One reason is an inequitable distribution process: Because the state gives even sparsely populated counties at least 300 weekly doses, Talbot has received 16 doses per 1,000 residents, according to state data, while Prince George’s got nine doses per 1,000 residents.

But officials also say smaller jurisdictions are more nimble than large ones, and Prince George’s has been especially hurt by vaccine reluctance in Black and Latino communities.

“We may all be in the same storm, but we are in different boats,” said Stephen B. Thomas, head of the Maryland Center for Health Equity at the University of Maryland.

In Prince George’s, hundreds who signed up to get vaccinated found themselves waiting for hours in the cold. Others have been wary — or willing but unable to get appointments, clamoring for a supply of doses that lawmakers say needs to be increased.

It does sound like something is amiss with Maryland's priorities here. There's a lot of technical difficulties too though. Like if you have a website that you need to sign up for an appointment, what about old people who don't own a computer? There's a lot more in the article but I can't quote the whole thing obviously. I don't think it's paywalled though, so I believe that you can read the rest of it yourself.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

That's an eye-opener, Puppycow.

 

[Orphia Nay]

If enough vaccines were available for everyone, you wouldn't need to prioritize anyone. The issue is that right now the demand exceeds the supply.

Eventually vaccine hesitancy may become a problem if too many people stubbornly refuse to get vaccinated but I hope that more people will come around once they see other people around them taking the vaccine.

People who need it more should be given the earlier opportunity to take it, but if they pass that opportunity up, let the next person in line take it.

Yes.

Brainster's link said that 4% said they didn't wish to be vaccinated at all.

That 4% of vaccines can be stock used for other people in the priority list as it goes down.

 

[Brainster]

That's a separate issue to making sure enough vaccines are available for everyone.

But how do we judge whether enough vaccines were made available to everyone, if not by checking the vaccination rates of various groups to see if they are proportionately represented? And for some groups it's actually hoped (for sound reasons) that they will be somewhat disproportionately represented, for exactly the reason you pointed out and that is mentioned in the WaPo story: because they have been disproportionately represented among the sick and dead.

 

[Rolfe]

If enough vaccines were available for everyone, you wouldn't need to prioritize anyone.

You would though. We're in the middle of a raging epidemic. It's not possible to wave a magic wand and get the vaccine into everyone simultaneously even if you have plenty. So it's quite right to start with the people most likely to die if they get it.

 

[Orphia Nay]

But how do we judge whether enough vaccines were made available to everyone, if not by checking the vaccination rates of various groups to see if they are proportionately represented? And for some groups it's actually hoped (for sound reasons) that they will be somewhat disproportionately represented, for exactly the reason you pointed out and that is mentioned in the WaPo story: because they have been disproportionately represented among the sick and dead.

You're in a loop.

You were talking about how many decline to be vaccinated, not how many need to be vaccinated.

The pre-existing conditions due to racial types aren't their opinions on vaccines.